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I am mostly a lurker on this list, but I have asked a few questions and
learned a bunch of things. I would like to remain subscribed to it; it
is useful to me. But Roland is destroying the list. As Benjamin writes
below, at least some of the issues Roland raises are valid, and the
larger discussion (what is Qt for, what should the future of it be, how
are its licensing terms affecting its usability, etc.) has often been
interesting. I have even learned things from Roland's posts, in fact.
The problem is not Roland's viewpoint as such (although I agree with
those who are puzzled that he doesn't simply leave the group, since Qt
is clearly not the tool he wants it to be), nor the discussion topic,
but the fact that Roland behaves like a troll: posting endlessly making
essentially the same points over and over, being rude and insulting
rather than constructive, and attempting not just to make his point, but
to completely dominate the conversation.<br>
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That is unacceptable behavior, and if it isn't against the CoC, perhaps
it should be. Tuukka, I recognize the difficult position here, but I
vote that something needs to be done. If you don't want to ban someone
who is not in clear violation of the CoC, then the CoC should be revised
to disallow this type of behavior. This needs to stop. People who are
good, constructive contributors to the list are leaving, and I will
soon follow them if this doesn't change. If I'm not mistaken, not a
single person has posted to this "L Word" thread in defense of Roland's
right to act as he has been acting, have they? It feels like the
community is pretty much unanimous on this (except, of course, Roland):
it needs to stop. It seems clear that it won't stop of Roland's own
volition, so the moderators need to act.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
-B.<br>
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Benjamin C. Haller<br>
Messer Lab<br>
Cornell University<br>
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<span>Benjamin TERRIER wrote on 4/29/21 11:26 AM:</span><br>
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dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 at 15:15, Bob Hood
<<a href="mailto:bhood2@comcast.net" moz-do-not-send="true">bhood2@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
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<font face="monospace">On 4/29/2021 4:02 AM, Bernhard Lindner wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><pre>Obviously, Qt has nothing to do with this type of software engineering. And it's obviously
not suitable for functional safety (at least not if you take it seriously).</pre></blockquote>
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If this statement is true <i>and</i> Roland's statement that TQC
actively courted that industry is also true, then it seems to me
that he has a valid grievance, regardless of how he presents it.</font><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>TQC
actively courted that industry, but it does not mean that they intended
Qt to be part of the functional safety stack.<br><br></div><div>As a
proof to my above statement I bring you the Qt Safe Renderer. It is a
commercial product from TQC targeted to functional safety industry, so
yes TQC has courted this industry.<br></div><div>However, it also means
that Qt itself was never meant to be a part of the functional safety
stack and is not supposed to mess with it.<br><br></div><div>The issue
at hand here is not that Roland has a valid grievance or not. At least
some of the issues he raised are valid.<br></div><div>The issue is that
his emails are numerous and have a very low signal/noise ratio, that he
is borderline insulting to anyone who is out of his industry and that in
the end it lowers the value users are getting from this mailing list.<br><br></div><div>And
personally I'd add that he is so badly advocating for his grievance
that I'd prefer him not to advocate for the points where I agree with
him.<br></div></div></div>
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