From leos at uvic.ca  Fri Nov  7 01:33:36 2014
From: leos at uvic.ca (Leo Spalteholz)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 00:33:36 +0000
Subject: [Accessibility] Seeking input from experts with mobile
 assistive	devices
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On May 21, 2014, at 12:41 AM, Trenton Schulz <Trenton.Schulz at nr.no> wrote:
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2014, at 06:50 , Leo Spalteholz <leos at uvic.ca> wrote
> 
>> We work a lot with individuals with physical disabilities, and along with the rest of the industry have migrated primarily to mobile development.  So we are primarily concerned with Voiceover support and switch accessibility.  We have primarily concentrated past app development efforts on iOS because platform accessibility and accessibility app support is still far ahead of android for most of our clients.  However we are naturally interested in cross platform development so we have switched to Qt for most of our new, in-development apps to be able to ship Android and iOS simultaneously with our very small team.  
>> 
>> We’ve worked with hundreds of individuals with disabilities over the years across the age and disability spectrum.  Happy to help if we can.
> 
> Thank you, Leo. I would be interested in discussing how switch support works on smartphones as I haven’t seen much of that. I’ll contact you off-list.
> 

Following up on this.  As you know Qt 5.3 apps on iOS were completely unaccessible to VoiceOver on iOS, however I’m extremely happy to see that after some testing on 5.4 beta it looks like it perfectly supports VoiceOver now!   Great work and thank you Digia and whoever did the work for making this happen!   With no changes our apps are now almost completely accessible to VoiceOver users.

I tested with iOS 8 Switch Control using the Pretorian Applicator switch interface and it also works quite well.  It seems to scan to Label elements in addition to actionable items which doesn’t match the behaviour or most other apps, but it is certainly working.

Leo



From frederik.gladhorn at theqtcompany.com  Tue Nov 11 14:52:04 2014
From: frederik.gladhorn at theqtcompany.com (Frederik Gladhorn)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 14:52:04 +0100
Subject: [Accessibility] Seeking input from experts with mobile
	assistive	devices
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Hi Leo,

On Friday, November 07, 2014 12:33:36 AM Leo Spalteholz wrote:
> On May 21, 2014, at 12:41 AM, Trenton Schulz <Trenton.Schulz at nr.no> wrote:
> > On May 21, 2014, at 06:50 , Leo Spalteholz <leos at uvic.ca> wrote
> > 
> >> We work a lot with individuals with physical disabilities, and along with
> >> the rest of the industry have migrated primarily to mobile development. 
> >> So we are primarily concerned with Voiceover support and switch
> >> accessibility.  We have primarily concentrated past app development
> >> efforts on iOS because platform accessibility and accessibility app
> >> support is still far ahead of android for most of our clients.  However
> >> we are naturally interested in cross platform development so we have
> >> switched to Qt for most of our new, in-development apps to be able to
> >> ship Android and iOS simultaneously with our very small team.
> >> 
> >> We’ve worked with hundreds of individuals with disabilities over the
> >> years across the age and disability spectrum.  Happy to help if we can.> 
> > Thank you, Leo. I would be interested in discussing how switch support
> > works on smartphones as I haven’t seen much of that. I’ll contact you
> > off-list.
> Following up on this.  As you know Qt 5.3 apps on iOS were completely
> unaccessible to VoiceOver on iOS, however I’m extremely happy to see that
> after some testing on 5.4 beta it looks like it perfectly supports
> VoiceOver now!   Great work and thank you Digia and whoever did the work
> for making this happen!   With no changes our apps are now almost
> completely accessible to VoiceOver users.

Thanks for the feedback and kind words, it really made us happy :)
It's good to hear that we have some real world testing.

> I tested with iOS 8 Switch Control using the Pretorian Applicator switch
> interface and it also works quite well.  It seems to scan to Label elements
> in addition to actionable items which doesn’t match the behaviour or most
> other apps, but it is certainly working.

Since we primarily focus on VoiceOver for iOS, it's great to hear that using 
switches works.
I am not sure how we should change label elements for this use case, it may be 
that we get some property wrong. At least it doesn't completely break things.

Greetings,
Frederik


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