From ernesta at tiscali.cz  Sun Sep 13 21:38:18 2015
From: ernesta at tiscali.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:38:18 +0200
Subject: [Accessibility] Android QT accessibility plugin urgent plea
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From trenton.schulz at nr.no  Mon Sep 14 11:02:27 2015
From: trenton.schulz at nr.no (Trenton W. Schulz)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 09:02:27 +0000
Subject: [Accessibility] Android QT accessibility plugin urgent plea
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> On 13 Sep 2015, at 21:38, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel <ernesta at tiscali.cz> wrote:
> 
> Dear core developers, 
> My name is Janusz Chmiel and I Am from Czech republic. I live in Brno. I have successfully installed and used QT 5.5 32 bit Windows release for Android. I have been and I Am still able to compile included sample applications. And thanks to Yours included sample C++ apps, I have found out The big issue related to QT 5.5 and may be that also alpha version of QT 6.0. 
> If C++ developer will use QT markup language to develop The GUI of QT app, this app will be totally inaccessible while running Android 4.1.2 and maybe that also in The newest Android stable release. 
> My kind plea is, why is not possible to create new QT accessibility plugin, which will enable visually impaired users use also QT apps written by using QT markup language. 
> It is possible to use QT apps written by using QT creator, or if GUI  is being created directly inside .cpp source files. But QT markup language GUI technique do not allow talkback and other assistive technology to work with  this kind of GUI. 
> 
> How complex would be to support also QT markup language based QT apps for ANdroid? 

Hi Janusz,

I’m not sure that the Qt example apps try to cover accessibility. At least in the past, I remember that they were more trying to test a single concept.

Take a look at the QuickForecast app. Code is available:

http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt-labs/weather-app.git/

You can also download it from the Play and App store to see how well it works. Illustrating accessibility with QML, Android and iOS was one of the goals for this app.

Best regards,

-- 
Trenton

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From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org  Mon Sep 14 11:19:02 2015
From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:19:02 +0200
Subject: [Accessibility] Android QT accessibility plugin urgent plea
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Trenton W. Schulz, le Mon 14 Sep 2015 09:02:27 +0000, a écrit :
> I’m not sure that the Qt example apps try to cover accessibility. At least in the past, I remember that they were more trying to test a single concept.

It could be argued that even single concepts have to be accessible.

Samuel


From chmiel at deep.cz  Sun Sep 13 20:59:05 2015
From: chmiel at deep.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:59:05 +0200
Subject: [Accessibility] Android QT accessibility plugin urgent plea
Message-ID: <55F5C779.5080805@deep.cz>

Dear core developers,
My name is Janusz Chmiel and I Am from Czech republic. I live in Brno. I 
have successfully installed and used QT 5.5 32 bit Windows release for 
Android. I have been and I Am still able to compile included sample 
applications. And thanks to Yours included sample C++ apps, I have found 
out The big issue related to QT 5.5 and may be that also alpha version 
of QT 6.0.
If C++ developer will use QT markup language to develop The GUI of QT 
app, this app will be totally inaccessible while running Android 4.1.2 
and maybe that also in The newest Android stable release.
My kind plea is, why is not possible to create new QT accessibility 
plugin, which will enable visually impaired users use also QT apps 
written by using QT markup language.
It is possible to use QT apps written by using QT creator, or if GUI  is 
being created directly inside .cpp source files. But QT markup language 
GUI technique do not allow talkback and other assistive technology to 
work with  this kind of GUI.

How complex would be to support also QT markup language based QT apps 
for ANdroid?

Thank You very much for Yours answers.

With kindness regards.

Mgr. Janusz Chmiel


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From chmiel at deep.cz  Sun Sep 13 21:02:46 2015
From: chmiel at deep.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:02:46 +0200
Subject: [Accessibility] Android QT accessibility plugin urgent plea
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From trenton.schulz at nr.no  Mon Sep 14 13:32:23 2015
From: trenton.schulz at nr.no (Trenton W. Schulz)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:32:23 +0000
Subject: [Accessibility] Android QT accessibility plugin urgent plea
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> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:19, Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org> wrote:
> 
> Trenton W. Schulz, le Mon 14 Sep 2015 09:02:27 +0000, a écrit :
>> I’m not sure that the Qt example apps try to cover accessibility. At least in the past, I remember that they were more trying to test a single concept.
> 
> It could be argued that even single concepts have to be accessible.

Indeed it can (and I agree with the argument). But, I’m looking at what is available.

I know that the last version of QuickForcast is a testbed to prove multiple concepts, one of them is Accessibility. It also had a user test to look at accessibility issues (http://publications.nr.no/1418390459/DART-13-2014-BestApps-UserEval-Results-Schulz.pdf). I know this since I was involved in these activities.

I think it would be great to have more examples of good accessibility in code, but QuickForecast is a good start.

-- 
Trenton Schulz
Senior Research Scientist
Norwegian Computing Center


From ernesta at tiscali.cz  Mon Sep 14 14:42:06 2015
From: ernesta at tiscali.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:42:06 +0200
Subject: [Accessibility] Android QT accessibility plugin urgent plea
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Dear MR Schulz,
     I Am very sorry, that I have not understood well that also source 
code, which are contain qt markup language files to create GUI can be 
also made to be accessible.
Ihave though, that only apps which  have been created in QT creator can 
produce accessible results.
In Qt 5.5 Android example, Radio app is accessible and developers are 
using .cpp file to create parts of GUI.
I Am sad, that Wiziq app, which maybe have been also created in QT IDe 
is totallyinaccessible.
I can not determine from The users perspective, if they were used QT 
markup language or no, becauseI can not determine itby searching inside 
.apk package.
I Am only sad, that some developers do not use accessibility infrastructure.


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