[Development] Qt branches & proposal how to continue with those
thiago.macieira at intel.com
Fri Feb 9 08:13:01 CET 2018
On Thursday, 8 February 2018 23:02:36 PST Kevin Kofler wrote:
> IMHO, you need to rethink your whole CI approach. This is increasingly being
> the one bottleneck slowing down Qt development and releases. It might make
> more sense to try a different approach, such as allowing all commits
> through initially, then making CI runs at regular intervals, and triggering
> reverts if things broke.
Which will happen ALL the time. We'll never get back down: when we released Qt
4.2, 4.3 and 4.4, we were happy if only 10 tests failed (that only happened
for QWS). For the other platforms, the normal number was a hundred tests
failing. Then we spent weeks trying to get the number down.
Sorry, I don't want to go back to that.
> Qt is being developed very much as a corporate project. (I write "as" rather
> than "like" because that's what Qt is, despite Open Governance.) It would
> help to look at how community Free Software projects do things. They tend
> to be more efficient. And some company-developed Free Software projects
> have already adopted such processes.
It would not do us well to look at poorer practices than what we have. Just
because everyone else is where we were 10 years ago is no reason for us to go
back to it. Show us a *better* model, one that still prevents failures from
being added, and we'll consider it.
The only one I know that fits the bill is the OpenStack model. Like Qt's,
staged commits get tested *before* they are added to the mainline. The
difference is that they have a massive datacenter, so they can run more
quickly. They have even enough spare capacity to bisect the commits being
added and figure out which one introduced the failure. We can't do that.
> Just my 2 cents as a (mostly) packager and application developer.
And my 2 cents as a core developer, maintainer, open source & community
expert, and someone who has followed the subject for the past 12 years.
Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com
Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center
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