[Development] [Qt-creator] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

Fri Feb 23 11:57:59 CET 2018

On Friday, 23 February 2018 11:45:01 CET Simon Hausmann wrote:
> I just had a look at KUserFeedback and I'm impressed.
> 
> Looks like a really good combination of very useful providers, UI,
> administration and server bits - all in one relatively small package. And
> for those not liking the PHP server part, it appears that that would be a
> piece that is relatively easy to replace - although the code looks very
> clean.

I don't like the PHP part either, it was just the easiest technology to deploy 
on the available servers at the time. The interface is very simple JSON/REST 
though, so it's indeed easy to explore alternatives.

> Also very cool that you're using this in production for GammaRay.
> 
> /That/ is something that would be awesome as part of the Qt project IMHO.
> Sensible scope, production tested and easy to use. (But I can totally
> understand that it might make more sense to remain in the KDE frameworks)

Contribution of the entire KUserFeedback framework under the Qt CLA seems 
unlikely, but as indicated during previous discussions, a conversation about 
finding a more acceptable FOSS license to address the commercial user concerns 
is certainly possible.

Regards,
Volker

> ________________________________
> From: Development <development-bounces+simon.hausmann=qt.io at qt-project.org>
> on behalf of Volker Krause <volker.krause at kdab.com> Sent: Friday, February
> 23, 2018 10:20:23 AM
> To: development at qt-project.org; qt-creator at qt-project.org
> Subject: Re: [Development] [Qt-creator] Requesting repository for telemetry
> plugin in Qt Creator
> 
> Hi,
> 
> as numerous people have asked me to comment on this by now, let me just do
> that here publicly (representing KDE's KUserFeedback, not KDAB):
> 
> Tino is well aware of KUserFeedback, we discussed that last year already in
> detail. So it definitely was considered as a possible solution for this.
> I do not know why it was ultimately decided to implement a new framework, in
> particular if that's due to conceptual or technical reasons, or licensing.
> 
> 
> With the KDAB hat back on, we do use KUserFeedback in GammaRay since mid
> last year, and it has so far provided a few useful insights, in particular
> regarding to what extend we still need to support ancient Qt versions. But
> as with any data, it's not the ultimate answer to all questions, and you
> need to be very careful how to interpret it obviously. We have so far not
> received any negative feedback with e.g. privacy concerns, but the approach
> KUserFeedback takes there by default (and that we followed in GammaRay) is
> intentionally very restrained.
> 
> Regards,
> Volker
> 
> On Thursday, 22 February 2018 14:58:55 CET Tino Pyssysalo wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The idea is to develop a generic library/plugin, which anyone could use
> > for
> > analytics. The backend can be any storage and The Qt Company does not
> > provide that.
> > 
> > We plan to use the same backend, which we already use in online installers
> > to collect statistics about installations. At least in case of Qt Creator,
> > the plan is to make some analysis results available for the community.
> > Obviously, we do not do that for our commercial tooling.
> > 
> > Analytics is opt-in and disabled by default in Qt Creator. We plan to ask
> > user in the installer, if the user wish to participate in Qt UX
> > improvement. If the answers is no, the analytics plugin is never
> > installed.
> > 
> >  When the creator is started for the first time, it will show a dialog,
> > 
> > consisting a list of collected data items and an option to enable/disable
> > the plugin. There will be a new output pane, which shows collected data,
> > conversions methods, if any used, and transmitted data to the user.
> 
>  --
> 
> > Tino
> > 
> > 
> > On 22/02/2018, 15.26, "Simon Hausmann"
> > <Simon.Hausmann at qt.io<mailto:Simon.Hausmann at qt.io>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Can you provide a bit more information about how this plugin / frontend
> > fits into the Qt project? Where is the collected data sent to and how is
> > it accessible to the community?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > (-1 from me, as I think this needs to be clarified)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Simon
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Development
> > <development-bounces+simon.hausmann=qt.io at qt-project.org>
> > on behalf of Tuukka Turunen <tuukka.turunen at qt.io>
> 
>  Sent: Thursday,
> 
> > February 22, 2018 2:14:14 PM
> > To: Tino Pyssysalo; qt-creator at qt-project.org; development at qt-project.org
> > Subject: Re: [Development] [Qt-creator] Requesting repository for
> > telemetry
> > plugin in Qt Creator
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > +1 for creating the repo, but what about qt/qtanalytics as a name? This
> > item could be useful also for other applications.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yours,
> > 
> >                              Tuukka
> > 
> > From: Qt-creator <qt-creator-bounces+tuukka.turunen=qt.io at qt-project.org>
> > on behalf of Tino Pyssysalo <tino.pyssysalo at qt.io>
> 
>  Date: Thursday, 22
> 
> > February 2018 at 13.04
> > To: "qt-creator at qt-project.org" <qt-creator at qt-project.org>
> > Subject: [Qt-creator] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt
> > Creator
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Description:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Telemetry plugin (frontend) to collect usage data from Qt Creator to help
> > improving Qt, Qt features, and Qt tools.
> > 
> > Non-personal data items, such as duration the user spent in design mode,
> > will be collected in a way, which is completely transparent to the user.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Responsible: Tino Pyssysalo
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Repository: qt-creator/plugin-telemetry
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > Tino Pyssysalo
> > 
> > Senior Manager
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The Qt Company
> > 
> > Hämeenkatu 14 C 25
> > 
> > 33100 Tampere, Finland
> > 
> > tino.pyssysalo at qt.io<mailto:tino.pyssysalo at qt.io>
> > 
> > +358 40 8615475
> > 
> > http://qt.io<http://qt.io/>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The future is Written with Qt

Volker Krause | volker.krause at kdab.com | Director Automotive
KDAB (Deutschland) GmbH&Co KG, a KDAB Group company
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