[Development] Qt 5 types under consideration for deprecation / removal in Qt 6
samuel.gaist at idiap.ch
Wed Jun 5 08:47:07 CEST 2019
> On 5 Jun 2019, at 00:39, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler at chello.at> wrote:
> Mutz, Marc via Development wrote:
>> I'd still like to deprecate them. QSDP is issuing atomic operations on
>> each mutable access hurting code-gen,
> Well yes, you have to use constData() or cast to const where needed. That
> does not reduce QSharedDataPointer's usefulness. It is an implementation
> tool for people who know what they are doing.
>> and produces surprises such as
> My existing QSharedDataPointer code always checks truth with
> if (d.constData()) and never if (d).
> I haven't had a need for this idiom in my code yet, but instead of using
> QExplicitlySharedDataPointer, I would have fixed it by adding some casts to
> const for the read-only checks (probably with something like:
> #define CD ((const QSharedDataPointer<Foo> &)(d))
> to cut down on copy&paste).
> I'm not sure I understand the issue there. Thanks to the atomic reference
> counts, implicitly-shared classes are as thread-safe as plain classes
> without the CoW magic. But writing to the same object from 2 threads without
> some form of mutex will work in neither case. Just don't do that.
>> QESDP has the bug that it doesn't propagate const. We could fix that,
>> but it would be SiC, too. So, my idea was to keep them both, deprecate
>> them, and use something much more cumbersome to use outside of Qt for
>> Qt's own classes. I'd also be ok with keeping a fixed QESDP, but QSDP
>> should go sooner rather than later.
> No, QSharedDataPointer must not go away, not now…
>> That said, I'm ok with keeping them until Qt 7, but deprecated.
> … and not in Qt 7 either!
>>>> == Java-style iteration
>>>> (https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtbase/+/262344) ==
>>> I’m a bit torn here. On code review I gave a +1 on deprecating them,
>>> but I see that this could lead to a lot of porting effort on user code
>>> that makes extensive use of them. And the problem is that the porting
>>> can be non-trivial in cases where the list gets modified while
>>> iterating. So I think we should most likely keep them for Qt 6.
>> As I wrote in the other thread, I'm ok with keeping them. I'd like to
>> deprecate them, though.
> Deprecating them means you don't want to keep them permanently though, and I
> don't see why. They not only help developers coming from a Java background,
> but are also more intuitive for new developers.
> Yes, the STL-style iterators are more powerful in some ways, and yes, they
> are needed to use STL algorithms on the Qt containers. But nobody is taking
> them away from you anyway. It just does not preclude also offering a more
> developer-friendly API.
>>>> == QLinkedList -> std::list
>>>> (https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtbase/+/261421) ==
>>> It’s not used a whole lot, and I’m not against deprecating it. But do
>>> we need to remove it for 6.0? Or maybe go the route we thought about
>>> for other containers as well and have it wrap a std::list. ie. remove
>>> our implementation, keep our API.
>> I'd just let it sit in it's place, deprecated, untouched. It's not used
>> in any Qt API, and the uses which I found in Qt are questionable to
>> begin with.
> There too, "just let it sit in it's place, deprecated, untouched" is a
> contradiction: if you deprecate it, it is not going to "sit in its place"
> forever. But a data structure as common as a linked list should not go away.
> (Especially not if the datastructure with the next-fastest random-access
> inserts and removals, the array of pointers, is also going away.)
>> I'm concerned about their use in APIs. I don't know any other library
>> that is passing hash tables around through the API for small things like
>> mapping role indexes to role names. That's an array of struct job.
> Passing around a map is exactly what a hash table like QHash or a tree map
> like QMap are for. I have seen lots of APIs in various programming languages
> using them for the purpose they were designed for, and even written some of
> them myself (both in C++ with Qt and in other programming languages).
>> How do you intend to address the problem that QHash/QMap are all but
>> unusable in C++11 ranged for loops, because of decltype(*it)?
> Can't we just add a keySet() method (named after the Java one that does
> something similar) that returns a wrapper object that just forwards begin()
> to the map's keyBegin() etc.? Then you could just write something like:
> for (auto key : map.keySet())
> and it should do conceptually the same as:
> for (auto key : map.keys())
> but without ever having to build the list of keys as a list.
> Or, probably even more efficiently, add cursorBegin() etc. iterator methods
> that return iterators returning key-value pairs as QPair, and a cursorSet()
> that returns a wrapper object for them like keySet() above. Then:
> for (auto cursor : map.cursorSet())
> would get you key-value pairs, wouldn't it?
Since Qt 5.10, QHash and QMap have something for that:
And their corresponding const versions.
Note that the iterator returns a std::pair.
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