[Interest] Indie Mobil Program terminated?

[Tim O'Neil]

>>No, Qt performs the best, IMHO.

NO, it does NOT. The only thing Qt has going for it is ability to come very
close (not quite exactly, but close) to true x-platform compatibility.
Don't get caught up in some performance thing (did you actually mean
cross-platform performance?) because YOU WILL LOSE. That's not where you're
going to hang your hat. And your not sounding all that humble, IMO.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Jason H <jhihn at gmx.com> wrote:

> There's some chatter. I don't put much in it.
> All the key features are there. The feature parity can be rough around the
> edges.
> No, Qt performs the best, IMHO. Look and feel is subjective. If you use Qt
> you problably want to support multiple platforms. And these platforms
> differ on look & feel (Glaringly, lack of a back button on iOS) There are
> efforts to use naitive look and feel, but in designing your UI, they will
> only get so far. I personally like ot be on the side of one app one look
> for all platforms.
>
> Native access is supported on iOS and Android. Their usual caveats apply.
>
> Yes, sometimes not at the rate you want. But it's "getting there". It's
> definately usable. I've published apps in iOS and Android app stores.
>
>  *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 at 3:53 PM
> *From:* "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>
> *To:* "Jason H" <jhihn at gmx.com>
> *Cc:* "Ben Lau" <xbenlau at gmail.com>, "interest at qt-project.org" <
> interest at qt-project.org>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Interest] Indie Mobil Program terminated?
>  Thanks.
>
> And what's with all this talk that at the moment Qt is not the best
> library for mobile development? Are there key iOS or Android features not
> available in Qt? Are there performance issues or look and feel issues? Are
> there problems with access to native APIs or devices?
>
> Are these all being addressed?
>
>
> On 8 Jul 2015, at 05:36, Jason H <jhihn at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>  1. Consult your laywer.
> 2. But there is some question if LGPL apps are allowed in the App stores.
> 3. I'd get the Indie Mobile for $25/25 (I forget) before August 31 and get
> grandfathered in. This is not advice, but it's what I would do.
>
>
>  *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 at 3:11 PM
> *From:* "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>
> *To:* "Ben Lau" <xbenlau at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* "interest at qt-project.org" <interest at qt-project.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Interest] Indie Mobil Program terminated?
>  Ok, this is all very confusing for me.  I am just starting out with Qt
> and am using the LGPL edition.
>
> What are my limitations with that? It costs me nothing but do I have to
> distribute my source code along with the app and am I missing out on
> features and/or the ability to sell my app on iOS or Android?
>
> I simply can't start paying $350 per month when so much is the learning
> curve at the moment so is it possible to stay on this license until I
> actually want to sell my app and only miss out on paid support until then?
> Or is it that there's a whole bunch of features that I can't even use till
> I fork out that unsustainable amount each month?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -jct
>
>
>
> 1. Consult your laywer.
> 2. But there is some question if LGPL apps are allowed in the App stores.
> 3. I'd get the Indie Mobile for $25/25 (I forget) before August 31 and get
> grandfathered in. This is not advice, but it's what I would do.
>
>
>  *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 at 3:11 PM
> *From:* "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>
> *To:* "Ben Lau" <xbenlau at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* "interest at qt-project.org" <interest at qt-project.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Interest] Indie Mobil Program terminated?
>  Ok, this is all very confusing for me.  I am just starting out with Qt
> and am using the LGPL edition.
>
> What are my limitations with that? It costs me nothing but do I have to
> distribute my source code along with the app and am I missing out on
> features and/or the ability to sell my app on iOS or Android?
>
> I simply can't start paying $350 per month when so much is the learning
> curve at the moment so is it possible to stay on this license until I
> actually want to sell my app and only miss out on paid support until then?
> Or is it that there's a whole bunch of features that I can't even use till
> I fork out that unsustainable amount each month?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -jct
>
>
>
> On 7 Jul 2015, at 20:17, Ben Lau <xbenlau at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi Tuukka,
>
> Thanks for listening from us!
>
> > we are rather surprised that a product that almost no-one has bought is
> crucially important to so many.
>
> I have already purchased an indie license few month ago. I think I could
> try to explain why we are very concerned with this issue.
>
> I think most of the guy replied in this thread not only an user. But also
> an evangelist (or just wanna-be) of Qt. We would like to recommend /
> convince people/company to use Qt. Even we know it is not yet a very good
> solution for mobile yet. But we wish it will be the best solution, so we
> are willing to be a pioneer.
>
> But if the lowest cost to get Qt run on mobile is USD $350/month, it is
> really difficult to convince others to get started on a not-yet popular
> solution.
>
> We complain becoz we like Qt. And wish it success.
>
>  On 7 July 2015 at 02:23, Turunen Tuukka <tuukka.turunen at theqtcompany.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> The reason why Indie Mobile product is to be discontinued is simple:
>> there has been so few licenses sold that it does not even cover for the
>> cost of online sales, let alone any cost of packaging, testing,
>> distributing etc. We do care about indie developers and the community, but
>> based on the sold Indie Mobile subscriptions it is very clear that there
>> was no demand to this product.
>>
>> As also stated in the blog post of today, we are rather surprised that a
>> product that almost no-one has bought is crucially important to so many.
>> For this reason, we decided to have extension until end of August rather
>> that promise that the product is available indefinitely. It will be
>> interesting to see how many decide to purchase it now that it is again
>> available.
>>
>> We are continuously thinking of ways to improve our offering and
>> naturally hope to find products that provide new business. We are also very
>> happy that we have an active community and customer base. And we are
>> extremely proud that Qt is a great product, used by a huge number of
>> developers worldwide.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>>                 Tuukka
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Lähettäjä: md at rpzdesign.com <md at rpzdesign.com>
>> Lähetetty: 6. heinäkuuta 2015 16:39
>> Vastaanottaja: interest at qt-project.org
>> Kopio: Knoll Lars; Turunen Tuukka
>> Aihe: Re: [Interest] Indie Mobil Program terminated?
>>
>> Dear Lars & Turunen:
>>
>> Qt has been reading their email, but still appear tone deaf:
>>
>>  >
>> http://blog.qt.io/blog/2015/07/06/indie-mobile-available-until-aug-31st/
>>
>> There are statements in that blog which strain QT credibility.
>>
>> Transparency is only ONE of several significant problems.
>>
>> Your feedback loops are apparently broken.
>>
>> Community Crisis Response and Pricing Policy VIA BLOG is a
>> communications disaster.
>>
>> You have manufactured haters which will not evangelize QT, further
>> weakening QT now and in the future.
>>
>> Failing to have Qt staff directly and completely address many valid
>> questions/issues raised in the interest list and blog replies has
>> consequences, whether obvious or not.
>>
>> Stop saying Open Source successfully replaces Indie, until you can
>> provide an articulate and concise page why instead of sending
>> all potential Indies to their lawyers to figure it out.  They will not.
>>
>> The web site is a confusing MESS. You are LOSING sales because nobody
>> can clearly see price VS benefits.
>>
>> Like Nunos Santos says: QT Rocks.
>>
>> Just not enough people have the time (and now the money) to bet on QT to
>> figure it out.
>>
>> They need to see other users succeeding, not users bitching.
>>
>> This has been a terrible week for QT.
>>
>> Mark
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