[Interest] Interest Digest Wiki instructions for PI cross compile do not work for PostgreSQL support

Thu Oct 19 14:57:21 CEST 2017

Perhaps because it could be running with a pure software OpenGL implementation (Mesa llvmpipe) which Raspbian and friends tend to use to provide OpenGL on X11. (at least until VC4 becomes the default; in the meantime acceleration is limited to when running directly on Dispmanx, hence our general recommendation of using eglfs on embedded boards in order to cut out the potentially problematic middle layers)

If that’s the case, then the performance issues showcased here have nothing to with QML, Qt Quick or anything Qt really. Run with QSG_INFO=1 to verify.

Cheers,
Laszlo

From: Interest [mailto:interest-bounces+laszlo.agocs=qt.io at qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Roland Hughes
Sent: torsdag 19. oktober 2017 14.43
To: Vlad Stelmahovsky <vladstelmahovsky at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Interest] Interest Digest Wiki instructions for PI cross compile do not work for PostgreSQL support

Scroll down and watch the video. QML is an 800 lb gorilla trying to ride in a 2 cylinder car.

http://www.logikalsolutions.com/wordpress/information-technology/raspberry-qt-part-12-qml-blows-big-stinky-chunks/

Nasty worthless resource pig which exists only to pursue script kiddies.

On 10/19/2017 04:38 AM, Vlad Stelmahovsky wrote:
QML is not that resource hogging as JS. dont use JS and you'll be fine

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Roland Hughes <roland at logikalsolutions.com<mailto:roland at logikalsolutions.com>> wrote:

On 10/17/2017 12:54 PM, interest-request at qt-project.org<mailto:interest-request at qt-project.org> wrote:

On ter?a-feira, 17 de outubro de 2017 08:11:13 PDT Roland Hughes wrote:

The bug tracking system is under our control - it will not just

disappear (from our perspective).

Oh yes it will!

Speaking as someone who has heard that soooooo many times before, let's

just count a few for Qt shall we.

The Trolltech bug database was never going to just disappear (from our

perspective). It did. A tiny fraction of the bugs migrated to the new

system but most were mass exterminated with

The TT TT was not a public database. It existed internally only. When we

switched to a public bugtracker, we could only export some entries since many

had confidential customer information. Those that were exported had to be

review by a person to make sure we were not violation any NDAs or

confidentiality.

That's the same reason why the code repository starts with Qt 4.5, not earlier

versions.

"The version this bug is reported against is no longer supported..."

The Nokia bug tracker was never going to just disappear (from our

perspective). It did. Few, if any of the older bugs made it into the

current database. Most were mass exterminated with

There was no Nokia database. We switched straight from the internal tdb

(that's what it was called) to JIRA.
There was a Nokia bug base as well, at least for a while. I and others entered bugs into it back in the day. Your argument also re-enforces a great many bugs "simply disappeared."

I hear from quite a few companies in similar boats. They started

development for a medical/industrial device which had a lengthy

testing/approval process, filed bug reports for that version only to see

them rot or fall victim to a mass extermination.

Most open source projects don't support old versions, since they don't have

the manpower to do so.

The current owners of Qt and the current OpenSource maintainers don't

offer or seem to understand the concept of an LTS (Long Term Support)

version. They are constantly pursuing script kiddies and that worthless

QML instead of maintaining the base which built them. This will soon

force a fork in the OpenSource project. One which rips out all of the

QML and focuses on nothing but bug fixes for 12 years. Yes, 12 years.

Again, offence taken.
Take all of the offense you want. Medical devices and industrial controls need LTS versions, not resource hogging QML features. Qt's chasing of the idiot phone market which has 6 months at best life spans is alienating and chasing away the very industries which made Qt successful.

I don't know who plans on forking. There's no such division in the community,

so any attempt to do so will probably start with very few developers. Almost

certainly, fewer than critical mass to maintain the codebase.

See TQt (Trinity Project) for an example of a fork attempt.
It's easy to fork something you have been maintaining internally for years. There _IS_ such a division. You don't know about it because they don't come here. They justifiably believe they've been abandoned. The relentless pursuit of "new cool features" to please the phone crowd is causing the much larger medical device and industrial control industries to create their own LTS.

How many questions have you seen on here over the past 18 months about Qt 3? That project Harmman (sp?) calls about periodically sells north of a million units per year and the company is maintaining Qt 3 on its own so they can make minor product enhancements which don't have to go though multi-year clinical trials. They aren't the only calls I get about products using Qt 3, 4.2, and the most likely soon to be orphaned (if not already) 4.8. Every company I am contacted about using earlier versions has their own staff maintaining the code base today. They have had no other choice. If anything, joining forces with someone who is not a competitor but using the same tool set will lighten their load.

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