[Interest] Digest sending emails every 10 minutes or so

Fri Dec 18 14:32:06 CET 2020

One of the SPAM issues might have been my earlier message when I linked 
the page for Blue Fish editor to innocently point someone to the editor 
I seemed to remember using to "fix" corrupted UI files.  I did not know 
that the editor had a mailing list and said mailing list was on the 
SPAML offenders list for being "insecure" or something like that. It 
might also be because it is a list that comes out without an Unsubscribe 
link at the bottom. I don't know if it is SPAML or one of the others, 
but that is quick becoming an international SPAM standard for mailing 
lists. Mail from the list must include an "unsubscribe" link at the 
bottom. Not just instructions, but a link.

This is really breaking an awful lot of lists.

Many lists traditionally operate in the manner of this one. We can 
directly reply to someone and maybe copy the list. The list moderator 
may or may not choose to include the email in the digest email that goes 
out.

That runs afoul of this new rule in three ways.

1) None of our personal email clients automatically include an 
"unsubscribe" link for the list when we reply yet our subject line 
indicates list content by beginning with "Re: [Interest]"

2) The "unsubscribe" information for out list isn't a link at the 
bottom. It is a URL near the top.

3) This list is TEXT ONLY. It cannot include an html unsubscribe link.

Btw. Everyone who sets their email client to default to HTML creates 
lovely content in both the digest and the archive.

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Part of your Gmail issue is fallout from this July 5th article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/07/05/google-gmail-serious-problem-spam-filter-broken-gmail-update/?sh=24c513b53e04

Google has a rather long info post here on how to try to stay out of the 
SPAM box.

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126?hl=en

Unlike ordinary email hosts, Gmail users trigger spam additions. When 
you have some Web services provider (or your own hosted server) for 
MyCompany.com, end users with an email client marking messages as SPAM 
have no impact on your email server. That client for that user routes 
messages for that sender to a SPAM box.

Google mines your Gmail.

Initially you marking something as SPAM in your Gmail acts just like an 
ordinary Thunderbird user. Only you consider it SPAM. But Google mines 
your account for information. Once N users (nobody outside of Google 
knows the exact formula) have marked a sender as a SPAM generator, the 
sender goes on the SPAM list.

 From what little I've read, I "think" the only way to get off a user 
induced SPAM list is for J said users to mark as not-SPAM who previously 
marked as spam.

If you dig around you will find this is the logic to the "unsubscribe" 
link at the bottom SPAM filter. Too many of today's users won't cut and 
paste a link into a browser and follow instructions to unsubscribe. 
Instead they mark it as SPAM and it continues to take up "space in the 
ether." Many will however, click a link. Most have been conditioned to 
look for said links at the bottom.

Part of this is the modern social media companies wanting to push out 
the last vestiges of Usenet era text only mailing lists. You can't push 
auto-loading ad content in text messages. Some, for a time, perhaps 
still, auto-play videos/commercials on the same page as the legit 
content people want. You can obtain good free ad-blocker software for 
Mozilla Firefox, but I have yet to see good free ad-blocker plug-ins 
that can actually block that kind of inside-of-the-legit-message SPAM.

For a time the Interest Digest was going into the SPAM folder per my new 
hosting service. I don't have the link now, but they use a weighted 
average for 5 databases/service though I believe the "enable" checkbox 
still says Spam Assassin. I had to white-list it to stop that from 
happening. I suspect everyone here will need to do that in the near 
future. There is a concerted effort to push text only mailing lists into 
the history books along with punched cards and 8" floppies.

On 12/18/20 6:54 AM, Narolewski Jakub wrote:
> For some reason I also started getting them directly to the SPAM 
> folder on my GMall account.
> From interest, dev but not from qt-creator MLs
>
> pon., 14 gru 2020 o 07:14 Roland Hughes <roland at logikalsolutions.com 
> <mailto:roland at logikalsolutions.com>> napisał(a):
>
>     Messages are really short. Some have just one short email in them.
>     This
>     isn't the typical size problem caused by people pasting build
>     output and
>     others just replying to the email without trimming.
>
>     -- 
>     Roland Hughes, President
>     Logikal Solutions
>     (630)-205-1593
>
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