[Interest] L Word

Konstantin Shegunov kshegunov at gmail.com
Thu Apr 29 21:22:11 CEST 2021

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:27 AM Giuseppe D'Angelo via Interest <
interest at qt-project.org> wrote:

> I don't. And I don't send ultimatums or threats of libel lawsuits
> (seriously?) around, including to the moderators, in order to force them
> to make a move.

Well, us "script kiddies"* don't live under a rock, I'm rather convinced
Roland knows rather well how distasteful this statement is, not to mention
the probability of it being an empty threat ... which makes it even worse.
USA law is not directly applicable to EU citizens, and also general
compensation for law expenses don't apply as in the EU legal system. If he
had any intention of perusing such a lawsuit it'd need to be under the
jurisdiction of a court overseeing the place where the supposed offence had
happened. Also he would need to hire a layer who is versed in french law
and (probably) works on site. And to pile on, libel is a hard thing to
prove, as in many jurisdictions it requires proving malice and/or intent
(like in mine). All in all I'd consider this one very Ronald in character:
first have a speech, and another, then if that doesn't work (i.e. you get
ignored or challenged) insult somebody, if insulting somebody doesn't work
threaten something or someone. That's the very definition of how trolling
works and what it is, as you'd duly noted. So, as usual, if a troll
couldn't provoke someone then it escalates ...

* which Roland has used on multiple occasions to refer to people
frequenting this list, and in general to assert his "superior ways". I have
an email from the list sent by him dating back to 2016 where this
particular expression had been used.

Hence, I'll be removing myself from this list, effective immediately.

I do hope you reconsider, it's going to be a loss for you, but much bigger
loss for us.

You win. Audience claps. Curtains.

Yeah ... except that nobody claps ...

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:05 PM Bernhard Lindner <
private at bernhard-lindner.de> wrote:

> The main problem isn't trolling.

Actually it is.

The main problem is: Roland comes from a completely
> different world. The world of functional safety.

If I came from Mars that still wouldn't give me the right to abuse, insult
or demean other people on this list.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:48 PM Tuukka Turunen <tuukka.turunen at qt.io> wrote:

>  Technically it is a trivial thing to remove someone from a mailing list.
> The challenging part is to decide when it is time to do that.

Well, my personal opinion is that the time had come some time ago.
Nonetheless, this issue festered over the years, and also not without some
fault of us (the users of said list). Many of just ignored the ramblings of
said person without a challenge to the turn of phrase or behaviour (the
"Ronald filters" is one such example). I must confess somewhat ashamedly, I
was relieved as he disappeared for some time, so I thought he'd finally
left. But apparently not ...

I second the request for Roland to be removed from the list, preferably
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