[Interest] [Development] Qt 6.5 Is Irrelevant for More than 95% of Mac Desktops

[Jean-Michaël Celerier]

> Musicians are very conservative in the software they use because they
have a music setup that relies on a certain plugin and are not likely to
give away that feature just because Apple upgraded their software. So they
keep it just as it is.

Can confirm this. I work with multiple art & music schools, universities,
etc. and many are still rocking classrooms full of 2008-2010 iMacs to this
day with no plan of upgrade (and no budget to do so anyways even if they
wanted). They still want the ability to run recent software though
obviously, to prepare their students to the software they'll be using after
school.
Personally I know that I'm stuck with keeping 10.13 as minimal macOS
version for the foreseeable future :|


On Sun, 18 Dec 2022, 03:49 Nuno Santos, <nuno.santos at imaginando.pt> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Every time a new Mac OS version comes out this is what happens:
>
> https://cdm.link/2022/11/macos-13-ventura-compatibility-plugins/
>
>
> https://cdm.link/2020/11/big-sur-and-the-new-macs-look-promising-but-youll-want-to-wait/
>
> https://cdm.link/2019/10/wait-on-catalina/
>
> https://cdm.link/2020/05/how-to-update-your-mac-to-mojave-not-catalina/
>
> Many people are still running their Intel macs. I speak for myself. I had
> bought a really powerful quad core Intel mac laptop one year before m1 is
> out. Is terrible but what am I going to do? Throw it out of the window if
> it is still able to do the job?
>
> Musicians are very conservative in the software they use because they have
> a music setup that relies on a certain plugin and are not likely to give
> away that feature just because Apple upgraded their software. So they keep
> it just as it is. The ones who venture in instant updates are the ones who
> report problems to the plugin makers which can sometime take months to fix
> the problems. In my case, if the problem relies on a Qt bug or
> incapability, I have my hands tied.
>
> My experience is that sometimes people take up to two years to upgrade to
> a more recent operating system.
>
> I understand all the technical reasons that have been thrown on the table
> from the incredible players of Qt team and their developers during this
> discussion.
>
> However, for me as a developer it is also a challenge to upgrade to the
> new Qt 6.
>
> I have finally decided to make the move on a new product development and
> knowing up hand that it will only run on Big Sur onwards because Catalina
> support will be over is also ungrateful.
>
> Specially when during this development phase I find some Qml conversion
> issues that are Qt bugs which should only be address in future versions.
>
> We understand your concerns and reasons, we are just asking more time for
> that move to be done, so that all other general bugs and improvements are
> still safe to run on systems like Catalina.
>
> Just sharing my concern and personal experience.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Nuno Santos
>
> No dia 18/12/2022, às 06:32, coroberti <coroberti at gmail.com> escreveu:
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 3:29 AM Thiago Macieira
> <thiago.macieira at intel.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Saturday, 17 December 2022 05:40:48 -03 Tuukka Turunen via Interest
> wrote:
>
> at least between versions 10.15 and 11 there does not seem to be a
>
> major drop in what HW is supported.
>
>
> There is a drop, but we're talking about  CPUs launched in 2013 and older.
>
> Specifically, 11.0 drops support for Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge Macbooks
> and
>
> Mac Minis. Whether you count that as "major" or not, I'll leave it up to
> you.
>
>
> What matters to me is that those were the last AVX-incapable CPUs, which
> allow
>
> us to assume that AVX2 is present.
>
>
> Dear Thiago and Tuukka,
> It seems that you are working under an assumption that if the HW allows it,
> users will upgrade their Mac OS.
>
> This is not how it works in reality, sorry.
>
> Many, if not most, Mac users are upgrading only once.
> They upgrade, see how their content-editing, multimedia, etc. software
> is ruined by their first upgrade;
> next, they work with software vendors to restore their applications
> back to some working state, get the lesson and ... do not touch it forever.
>
> Try to listen to the people that work with the real, live customers
> like Nuno and me.
>
> Please, add one more old Mac OS release to the supported list to be
> more realistic, so it will be not a thin three releases but at least four.
>
> Please, consider that.
> Thanks in advance!
>
> P.S. Oh, these customers are not security aware? Agree, this is bad.
>
> Sorry, but please get it that these people, not computer fricks and
> sometimes
> technically challenged, need to run smoothly with their daily jobs
> rather than work hard on
> bringing their apps to the working stage after each upgrade.
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