From michaelh at openismus.com Tue Mar 6 14:50:15 2012 From: michaelh at openismus.com (Michael Hasselmann) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:50:15 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012 Message-ID: <1331041815.2268.18.camel@brick.WAG160N> Hi, I live in Berlin and attended the QtCS last year. I would rather spend my time during QtCS in sessions and discussing ideas with the right people whenever there is no interesting session for me, so won't volunteer for on-site QtCS work. But I think I could help with some bits of preparation (I also met with danimo before) before QtCS (I am very likely to be in Berlin just before QtCS), and some post-processing after it ends. regards, Michael PS: Great choice of venue ;-) From lars.knoll at nokia.com Tue Mar 6 15:54:48 2012 From: lars.knoll at nokia.com (lars.knoll at nokia.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:54:48 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Qt 5 alpha approaching Message-ID: Hi, the time for the Qt 5 alpha is approaching quickly. I'd propose that we aim for an alpha release within two weeks from now. For the alpha, we probably don't need to do a whole lot of additional QA on top of what the CI system provides, but we should make sure that our examples run and work (modulo known bugs). Simo, how far are you with the releasing scripts? Is everything running there? In addition to that we'll need to start putting together some release notes, and our marketing folks should start thinking about how to best announce things to the world. I'm sure I'm now missing 90% of the stuff that needs to happen, so let's collect the other pieces, and find people to work on them :) Cheers, Lars From quim.gil at nokia.com Tue Mar 6 18:12:02 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:12:02 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012 In-Reply-To: <1331041815.2268.18.camel@brick.WAG160N> References: <1331041815.2268.18.camel@brick.WAG160N> Message-ID: <4F564562.5010607@nokia.com> Thank you for raising this point. On 03/06/2012 05:50 AM, ext Michael Hasselmann wrote: > so won't volunteer for on-site QtCS work. No worries, we expect to reduce the volunteer work to almost zero during the sessions. > But I think I could help with some bits of preparation (I also met with > danimo before) before QtCS (I am very likely to be in Berlin just before > QtCS), and some post-processing after it ends. Ok Michael, do you want to start stirring the discussion and work around the schedule? Hours, rooms, topics... Find more people to discuss and work with and aim to have an empty skeleton that people is happy with. Then we will need to fill it. Ask anything in this list. Also Sivan, do you want to stir the discussion and work around the registration? We have 225 slots and we need to fill them with the right people. Alexandra should tell you whether there is any infra from last year we can reuse to handle registrations. Just like Michael, the first thing you need to do is to find people that will help you on this task. Questions etc in this list. In general it would be good to know what Qt DevNet can offer to the QtCS. Any advice from Alex is welcome. Dabiel Molkentin and the Nokia Berlin office are already he,ping on the coordination with the venue. I'm making sure we have budget for all this + I'm the gatekeeper for anything that requires an answer or final decision. I'm making sure Lars, Thiago and marius are in the loop in any relevant decisions. Same with Nokia and the companies that are being interested in sponsoring. One important piece that still misses a clear driver and goals is the video recording of the sessions. Vladimir Minenko was cioordinating this last year, but this time won't be able to make it to Berlin. We need an owner - and could be the video producers themselves. I'm happy to deal directly with a contact. I believe these are the big items for now. Are each of you ready to push them? > PS: Great choice of venue ;-) Credit: Michael Hasselmann. ;) -- Quim From quim.gil at nokia.com Tue Mar 6 19:44:42 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:44:42 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] Qt 5 alpha approaching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F565B1A.4020408@nokia.com> Thanks Lars, can we aim for March 20 (Tuesday) as a working release date? You can check with maintainers and I can check with marketing dudes. On 03/06/2012 06:54 AM, ext lars.knoll at nokia.com wrote: > In addition to that we'll need to start putting together some release > notes, and our marketing folks should start thinking about how to best > announce things to the world. Ok, I have started with http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5 . I haven't been involved in any Qt release previously - bare with me and help improving the plans. (I wasn't sure about what wiki to use, if you prefer http://qt-project.org/wiki/ we can use that). Beef we need from the maintainers: - What modules are involved in the release. Essentials and which add-ons (if any)? - What are the highlights of each module. - What extra materials are availale: docs, code examples, screenshots, videos... - What areas in their module welcome more attention from testers, feedback, etc. Then we need to agree on the Qt 5 highlights. And how we promote them best in this Alpha release. All corners of the Qt Project are encouraged to find and contribute some spice to the release day. Can the MediaHub showcase some gerat visual features in an integrated way? Is someone making the most of the new QPA with some port? Is there some HTML5 beauty to show thanks to the new QtWebKit2? Any simple QtQuick 3D code generating amazing results? Anything running on a Raspberry Pi? You see where I'm coming from. If you are working on something cool and you can achieve an alignment with the Alpha release let us know here sooner than later. -- Quim From michaelh at openismus.com Wed Mar 7 03:22:46 2012 From: michaelh at openismus.com (Michael Hasselmann) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 03:22:46 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F564562.5010607@nokia.com> References: <1331041815.2268.18.camel@brick.WAG160N> <4F564562.5010607@nokia.com> Message-ID: <1331086966.2041.46.camel@brick.WAG160N> On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 09:12 -0800, Quim Gil wrote: > Ok Michael, do you want to start stirring the discussion and work around > the schedule? Hours, rooms, topics... Find more people to discuss and > work with and aim to have an empty skeleton that people is happy with. > Then we will need to fill it. Ask anything in this list. Do we want to go as far as to organize tracks? I don't think it fits the unconference theme. For topics, I will take a closer look at the schedules of QtCS 2011 and the two Qt Developer Days 2011. I'll probably start a wiki page somewhere so that we can add/remove topics. Current plan is to have a table with topics, descriptions, relevant maintainers and perhaps allow others to +1 topics, so that we get an idea on what's hot. Such a table would act as a guide for interested contributors, and we might also want them to leave their name next to the topics they're interested in (=> could help with room management). We could also do all of that here on the ML, but I guess wiki is better, and we try to keep this space free for more important stuff. regards, Michael From simo.falt at nokia.com Wed Mar 7 04:12:34 2012 From: simo.falt at nokia.com (simo.falt at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 03:12:34 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Qt 5 alpha approaching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D45C0DD6CE2024FA1A243DDE18EFC2601474540@008-AM1MPN1-004.mgdnok.nokia.com> Hi, Releasing scripts allows us to even create alpha installer if so decided, at least for Linux. The source packaging and Linux/mac build scripts are not yet in Gerrit, but hopefully during this week. The source script might still miss some functionality, which was included in mkdist tools, like generating the docs and removing test sources, but otherwise it is getting there. Simo -----Original Message----- From: releasing-bounces+simo.falt=nokia.com at qt-project.org [mailto:releasing-bounces+simo.falt=nokia.com at qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Knoll Lars (Nokia-MP/Oslo) Sent: 6. maaliskuuta 2012 16:55 To: releasing at qt-project.org Cc: development at qt-project.org; marketing at qt-project.org Subject: [Releasing] Qt 5 alpha approaching Hi, the time for the Qt 5 alpha is approaching quickly. I'd propose that we aim for an alpha release within two weeks from now. For the alpha, we probably don't need to do a whole lot of additional QA on top of what the CI system provides, but we should make sure that our examples run and work (modulo known bugs). Simo, how far are you with the releasing scripts? Is everything running there? In addition to that we'll need to start putting together some release notes, and our marketing folks should start thinking about how to best announce things to the world. I'm sure I'm now missing 90% of the stuff that needs to happen, so let's collect the other pieces, and find people to work on them :) Cheers, Lars _______________________________________________ Releasing mailing list Releasing at qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/releasing From sivan at omniqueue.com Wed Mar 7 14:52:51 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:52:51 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F564562.5010607@nokia.com> References: <1331041815.2268.18.camel@brick.WAG160N> <4F564562.5010607@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > > Also Sivan, do you want to stir the discussion and work around the > registration? We have 225 slots and we need to fill them with the right > people. Alexandra should tell you whether there is any infra from last > year we can reuse to handle registrations. Just like Michael, the first > thing you need to do is to find people that will help you on this task. > Questions etc in this list. Thanks for the note up Quim! I'm more than keen on this, I'll get busy right away. I'll email Alexandra in private to ask about last year's infrastructure for the registration and see what data we can excavate to support the decision forward. I imagine I'd need to get in touch with focal points of the respective sub projects in the community so we make sure slots are granted with people who'll push Qt forward - is that what you had in mind in the allocation process? Perhaps we can also hear from active community participants which people they think should attend as well (similar to ND champion nomination). > > In general it would be good to know what Qt DevNet can offer to the > QtCS. Any advice from Alex is welcome. > I recall the registration site was a separate thing last year, maybe we should indeed integrate it with DevNet? Would that require custom PHP app given devnet is MediaWiki in my guess? > > I'm making sure we have budget for all this + I'm the gatekeeper for > anything that requires an answer or final decision. I'm making sure > Lars, Thiago and marius are in the loop in any relevant decisions. Same > with Nokia and the companies that are being interested in sponsoring. > I would have Thiago on the loop for slot allocation and approval, as he has vast knowledge of the community. (That is, He and Alexandra are probably the first folks to consult with about community members activity and visibility? Any other people are that can help with that, let me know) > I believe these are the big items for now. Are each of you ready to push > them? > I am, and very excited and keen on making the second QtCS even better than the last one. -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Wed Mar 7 15:34:01 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:34:01 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012 In-Reply-To: <1331086966.2041.46.camel@brick.WAG160N> References: <1331041815.2268.18.camel@brick.WAG160N> <4F564562.5010607@nokia.com> <1331086966.2041.46.camel@brick.WAG160N> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Michael Hasselmann wrote: > > Do we want to go as far as to organize tracks? I don't think it fits the > unconference theme. For topics, I will take a closer look at the > schedules of QtCS 2011 and the two Qt Developer Days 2011. I'll probably > start a wiki page somewhere so that we can add/remove topics. > There's already the proposal section on the main qtcs planning page Quim started, but when you have a new page set for that let me know so I can move those suggestions there. (Admittedly they're all mine ...;) > Current plan is to have a table with topics, descriptions, relevant > maintainers and perhaps allow others to +1 topics, so that we get an > idea on what's hot. Such a table would act as a guide for interested > contributors, and we might also want them to leave their name next to > the topics they're interested in (=> could help with room management). I'd like also to suggest we combine this with perhaps +1 on "want to know more" session on a subject, such that new contributors could support their interest with an intro to that library, code or activity in the project they're interested in. Once we have this we can try and allocate mentors to run this intro bits (for example, how to use gerrit to do docs contribution , or how to use gerrit and the new Qt5 contribution model etc..) Br, -Sivan From quim.gil at nokia.com Wed Mar 7 17:25:58 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (quim.gil at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:25:58 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012 In-Reply-To: <1331086966.2041.46.camel@brick.WAG160N> References: <1331041815.2268.18.camel@brick.WAG160N> <4F564562.5010607@nokia.com>,<1331086966.2041.46.camel@brick.WAG160N> Message-ID: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DCA@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> > Do we want to go as far as to organize tracks? I don't think it fits the > unconference theme. Sorry, I meant to have the empty skeleton for everything + the sessions of the main track defined. All the rest is left for unconference mode, yes. > We could also do all of that here on the ML, but I guess wiki is better, > and we try to keep this space free for more important stuff. Yes, wiki for documentation and mailing list for discussion / decisions. Let's avoid private emails as much as possible. (Sivan, this goes also for you) :) Thanks! -- Quim From daniel.molkentin at nokia.com Wed Mar 7 17:40:56 2012 From: daniel.molkentin at nokia.com (daniel.molkentin at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:40:56 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012 In-Reply-To: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DCA@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <1331041815.2268.18.camel@brick.WAG160N> <4F564562.5010607@nokia.com>,<1331086966.2041.46.camel@brick.WAG160N> <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DCA@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: On Mar 7, 2012, at 17:25 , ext quim.gil at nokia.com wrote: > > Yes, wiki for documentation and mailing list for discussion / decisions. Let's avoid private emails as much as possible. (Sivan, this goes also for you) :) > On the matter of tracking things publically, me and our office assistant will be at Kalkscheune at one day during next week to clarify things. If you have a question that I should ask on your behalf, please reply to this mail. Also, what about hotel booking? So far the plan is to try and get a reasonable discount negotiated with one of the Hotels. So far what we found out is that most Hostels are completely booked on 1 and 2 bed rooms. Also Hotels are very careful to grant unconfirmed reservations during high season. The offers we have from Hotels close to the venue start at 100 Eur/Night. Do we have participants who would have a problem with that (Students, etc)? I guess those would trade daily commute via public transport for a cheap rental price. Can anyone estimate demands at this point? Daniel From sivan at omniqueue.com Wed Mar 7 17:50:19 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:50:19 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012 In-Reply-To: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DCA@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <1331041815.2268.18.camel@brick.WAG160N> <4F564562.5010607@nokia.com> <1331086966.2041.46.camel@brick.WAG160N> <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DCA@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:25 PM, wrote: > > Yes, wiki for documentation and mailing list for discussion / decisions. Let's avoid private emails as much as possible. (Sivan, this goes also for you)  :) I was hoping to do that , but feared it my conjunct the ML asking Alexandra what's left of last year's reg. infra. You know better how fond I am of open planning ;) In any event she's on vacation until next week. If anyone else knows anything about reg. infra. now, please let me know on the list, otherwise I shall wait for her to return. Quim: who's the person in DevNet to ask about related stuff? Thanks! -Sivan From quim.gil at nokia.com Wed Mar 7 17:56:59 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (quim.gil at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:56:59 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) Message-ID: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Hi Sivan, > I imagine I'd need to get in touch > with focal points of the respective sub projects in the community so > we make sure slots are granted with people who'll push Qt forward - is > that what you had in mind in the allocation process? What we have so far is http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Participation_criteria Hopefully Marius or someone in the infra team has a suggestion to send an invitation to maintainers and approvers at once. If that won't work then we could also assume that all of them should be following the [Development] list anyway. Alex probably knows the means to reach to all 2011 participants. There is also http://qt-project.org/groups/qt_contributors_summit/wiki - should we reuse it and move it forward? I can be the gatekeeper for sponsors, organizers and extra people invited (any participant should be able to suggest developers to be invited, yes). We should have the registration system up & running and then reach about 175 people before considering invitations. Then we can see how many seats are left. Does this sound reasonable? > I recall the registration site was a separate thing last year, maybe > we should indeed integrate it with DevNet? Would that require custom > PHP app given devnet is MediaWiki in my guess? I suggest going through the path of lesser resistance. :) -- Quim From adam.weinrich at nokia.com Wed Mar 7 22:13:49 2012 From: adam.weinrich at nokia.com (adam.weinrich at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:13:49 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Bidding for patches In-Reply-To: <4F565B1A.4020408@nokia.com> Message-ID: I've discovered that corporate Qt users sometimes have a need for their bugs or features they care about to be escalated and they are willing to pay for it. At the DD11 SFO Contributors Summit we had a discussion during the Qt Project Corporate Outreach session where we brainstormed about a bidding system to address the need for such one-off development work. A partner services engagement is one-to-one relationship with a high cost of entry. We could provide an alternative which opened up bidding on JIRA tasks to all, partners as well as freelance programmers. Maybe even multiple parties interested in a task could commit to pay what its worth to them and once the pooled amount is worth their effort a contractor agrees to do the work. I wonderŠ 1) How we could integrate this into the community workflow 2) How to assure trust and payment 3) How to deal with patches that are not approved to be merged. 4) How to get started Is this something the community is up for or YOU want to get involved with? Cheers, Adam Adam Weinrich Nokia-DXM Qt Key Accounts From quim.gil at nokia.com Wed Mar 7 23:32:42 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (quim.gil at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:32:42 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) Message-ID: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> About hotels and reservations, for the first Maemo Summit we had a group booking done at Ibis Hotel Mitte for the participants that we were sponsoring. We haven't talked so far about sponsored participants. Although I can see a couple of exceptions coming, it doesn't look like a big group - right? It feels like the QtCS will have a high percentage of professional developers taking care of themselves - or am I wrong? -- Quim From sivan at omniqueue.com Thu Mar 8 12:38:50 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:38:50 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: You're probably referring to partners or clients engaging in professional development using Qt ? What about open source projects that utilize qt or showcase its capabilities, or open source orgs that contribute back to Qt and advance its development? Do we have some of those to consider? -Sivan On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:32 AM, wrote: > About hotels and reservations, for the first Maemo Summit we had a group booking done at Ibis Hotel Mitte for the participants that we were sponsoring. > > We haven't talked so far about sponsored participants. Although I can see a couple of exceptions coming, it doesn't look like a big group - right? > > It feels like the QtCS will have a high percentage of professional developers taking care of themselves - or am I wrong? > > -- > Quim > > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Thu Mar 8 13:00:26 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:00:26 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM, wrote: > Hi Sivan, > >> I imagine I'd need to get in touch >> with focal points of the respective sub projects in the community so >> we make sure slots are granted with people who'll push Qt forward - is >> that what you had in mind in the allocation process? > > What we have so far is > http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Participation_criteria > Right, Quim could you please clarify what you meant with : "You took a sponsorship package including event invitations (((to be defined)))." Re: "You are invited by a maintainer or the organization team and we still have seats left." Personally interesting thing for me would be to encourage more new comers to the project. I wonder if we could ask maintainers and reviewers about recently joined contributors who shined. In recognizing their good and persistence work in the same time meeting face to face to collaborate, we should try to invite them. It could create a nice buzz for curious people to wet their feet in the future. > > Alex probably knows the means to reach to all 2011 participants. There is also http://qt-project.org/groups/qt_contributors_summit/wiki - should we reuse it and move it forward? > I'm happy to start going through the list and send manual invitations, but I'd love to have the mechanized system first such that I will be able to put emails in with people names so invitations will be sent and registration will be made through the same web app system. I think I can dig the invitation email that I got last year from my mail records, just re-use this and change dates and venue etc? > We should have the registration system up & running and then reach about 175 people before considering invitations. Then we can see how many seats are left. Does this sound reasonable? > Yes. >> I recall the registration site was a separate thing last year, maybe >> we should indeed integrate it with DevNet? Would that require custom >> PHP app given devnet is MediaWiki in my guess? > > I suggest going through the path of lesser resistance.  :) > Ofcourse, So where's the registration system? Can we start experiment with it? :) --Sivan From quim.gil at nokia.com Thu Mar 8 19:51:04 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:51:04 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] Devaamo Summit 2012 Message-ID: <4F58FF98.6090001@nokia.com> Someone forwarded this: http://summit.devaamo.fi/ Date: June 15-16, 2012 City: Tampere, Finland Anybody willing to tajke the Qt Project flag there? Or ar there contacts and work beind done behind the scenes? There is no lack of Qt developers in Tampere and even in the context of this event. Just checking. -- Quim From randall.arnold at texrat.net Thu Mar 8 20:04:09 2012 From: randall.arnold at texrat.net (Randall G. Arnold) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:04:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Marketing] Devaamo Summit 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F58FF98.6090001@nokia.com> References: <4F58FF98.6090001@nokia.com> Message-ID: <278785317.427288.1331233449991.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> On March 8, 2012 at 1:51 PM Quim Gil wrote: > Someone forwarded this: > > http://summit.devaamo.fi/ > Date: June 15-16, 2012 > City: Tampere, Finland > > Anybody willing to tajke the Qt Project flag there? Or ar there contacts > and work beind done behind the scenes? There is no lack of Qt developers > in Tampere and even in the context of this event. > > Just checking. Quim, I'm close friends with the Devaamo organizers (and *might* be going myself) so I will see what I can find out. Randall (Randy) Arnold Developer and Enthusiast Advocate http://texrat.net +18177396806 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quim.gil at nokia.com Thu Mar 8 21:08:34 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:08:34 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: <4F5911C2.8070707@nokia.com> On 03/08/2012 03:38 AM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: > You're probably referring to partners or clients engaging in > professional development using Qt ? What about open source projects > that utilize qt or showcase its capabilities, or open source orgs that > contribute back to Qt and advance its development? Do we have some of > those to consider? We need to consider any Qt contributors. The usual OSS project in mind is KDE but even there the guys I can think of right now happen to be professionals. I guess it is better to turn this omelette: who is contributing to the Qt Project and needs sponsorship to attend Qt CS? You Sivan are a good example, are there more? This is something that should be relatively easy to find out with a wiki page and a call to the Qt Project mailing lists. We need to know who (contributing what) and coming from which country. With this we can estimate a travel sponsorship budget. -- Quim From quim.gil at nokia.com Thu Mar 8 21:18:38 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:18:38 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: <4F59141E.3060803@nokia.com> On 03/08/2012 04:00 AM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:56 PM, wrote: >> Hi Sivan, >> >>> I imagine I'd need to get in touch >>> with focal points of the respective sub projects in the community so >>> we make sure slots are granted with people who'll push Qt forward - is >>> that what you had in mind in the allocation process? >> >> What we have so far is >> http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Participation_criteria >> > Right, Quim could you please clarify what you meant with : "You took a > sponsorship package including event invitations (((to be defined)))." Yes, the idea id to open the door to this possibility: 1. A big Qt user investing in Qt and perhaps considering becoming a contributor sponsors Qt CS. 2. One of the incentives in the sponsorship was 1-2 invitations to attend Qt CS, have a chance to meet the project contributors and have a first hand experience. Defining the sponsorship offers is in my ToDo list... > Re: "You are invited by a maintainer or the organization team and we > still have seats left." Personally interesting thing for me would be > to encourage more new comers to the project. I wonder if we could ask > maintainers and reviewers about recently joined contributors who > shined. In recognizing their good and persistence work in the same > time meeting face to face to collaborate, we should try to invite > them. It could create a nice buzz for curious people to wet their > feet in the future. Agree. In other words, let's put the stress inviting non-Nokia + "no-former-trolls" developers. Canonical, RIM and many http://qt.nokia.com/partners/ . A big chunk of the (short term) future approvers should come from this front, critical for the sustainability and health of the Qt Project. > I'm happy to start going through the list and send manual invitations, > but I'd love to have the mechanized system first such that I will be > able to put emails in with people names so invitations will be sent > and registration will be made through the same web app system. I think > I can dig the invitation email that I got last year from my mail > records, just re-use this and change dates and venue etc? Share the draft before, please. Ok, Alex is away these days. Anybody else knowing how registration was handled last year? -- Quim From dangelog at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 21:49:37 2012 From: dangelog at gmail.com (Giuseppe D'Angelo) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:49:37 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <4F5911C2.8070707@nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F5911C2.8070707@nokia.com> Message-ID: On 8 March 2012 20:08, Quim Gil wrote: > We need to know who (contributing what) and coming from which country. > With this we can estimate a travel sponsorship budget. Do a call for sponsorships? -- Giuseppe D'Angelo From berlinbikerx at googlemail.com Thu Mar 8 21:56:40 2012 From: berlinbikerx at googlemail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_G=F6tz?=) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 21:56:40 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <4F59141E.3060803@nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F59141E.3060803@nokia.com> Message-ID: <8E5B7545-3D33-4839-BAE0-91651E35CA00@googlemail.com> Hi, Am 08.03.2012 um 21:18 schrieb Quim Gil: > Share the draft before, please. Ok, Alex is away these days. Anybody > else knowing how registration was handled last year? It was handled via some external website/service. One had to apply on that page, giving some reasons why one should get an invitation (being a code contributor, etc.). AFAIK Alexandra then reviewed and approved the applications. Once one was accepted one got an invitation to the respective group on Qt Developer Network. I don't know the gory details though. That just what I gathered on the dev net moderators' IRC channel. Alexandra is down with the flu at the moment, so we'll need to wait at least till next week. Cheers Volker From berlinbikerx at googlemail.com Thu Mar 8 22:00:38 2012 From: berlinbikerx at googlemail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_G=F6tz?=) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:00:38 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: <3F0879E5-A40F-41CF-B289-43C5A1C4D21C@googlemail.com> Hi, Am 07.03.2012 um 23:32 schrieb : > About hotels and reservations, for the first Maemo Summit we had a group booking done at Ibis Hotel Mitte for the participants that we were sponsoring. Some relatively cheap alternative could be Hotel Alex (http://www.alex-hotel.de/) at Greifswalder Strasse. It's 3 tram stations to Alexanderplatz, not that close to Kalkscheune, but public transport is good at that place. I didn't stay there myself - but it's close to where I live :-) And it's relatively new. Cheers Volker From quim.gil at nokia.com Thu Mar 8 22:19:40 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:19:40 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <3F0879E5-A40F-41CF-B289-43C5A1C4D21C@googlemail.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <3F0879E5-A40F-41CF-B289-43C5A1C4D21C@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4F59226C.1020405@nokia.com> On 03/08/2012 01:00 PM, ext Volker Götz wrote: > Hi, > > Am 07.03.2012 um 23:32 schrieb > : > >> About hotels and reservations, for the first Maemo Summit we had a >> group booking done at Ibis Hotel Mitte for the participants that we >> were sponsoring. > > Some relatively cheap alternative could be Hotel Alex > (http://www.alex-hotel.de/) at Greifswalder Strasse. It's 3 tram > stations to Alexanderplatz, not that close to Kalkscheune, but public > transport is good at that place. I didn't stay there myself - but > it's close to where I live :-) And it's relatively new. Thanks! I have added http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Accommodation Everybody is encouraged to add their own recommendations, tips & tricks. fwiw in the Maemo summits we organized also sharing rooms through wiki page, cutting costs for sponsored participants. -- Quim From randall.arnold at texrat.net Thu Mar 8 23:04:21 2012 From: randall.arnold at texrat.net (Randall G. Arnold) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:04:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <4F59226C.1020405@nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <3F0879E5-A40F-41CF-B289-43C5A1C4D21C@googlemail.com> <4F59226C.1020405@nokia.com> Message-ID: <1183367129.439316.1331244261790.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> On March 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM Quim Gil wrote: > On 03/08/2012 01:00 PM, ext Volker Götz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Am 07.03.2012 um 23:32 schrieb > > : > > > >> About hotels and reservations, for the first Maemo Summit we had a > >> group booking done at Ibis Hotel Mitte for the participants that we > >> were sponsoring. > > > > Some relatively cheap alternative could be Hotel Alex > > (http://www.alex-hotel.de/) at Greifswalder Strasse. It's 3 tram > > stations to Alexanderplatz, not that close to Kalkscheune, but public > > transport is good at that place. I didn't stay there myself - but > > it's close to where I live :-) And it's relatively new. > > Thanks! > > > I have added > http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Accommodation > > Everybody is encouraged to add their own recommendations, tips & tricks. > > fwiw in the Maemo summits we organized also sharing rooms through wiki > page, cutting costs for sponsored participants. > Yep, one of the few suggestions I made that actually proved useful ;) On a serious note, we developed a good approach to room-sharing that got even more refined over the next few events. I can update the wiki with best practices and lessons learned for that. Randall (Randy) Arnold Developer and Enthusiast Advocate http://texrat.net +18177396806 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quim.gil at nokia.com Fri Mar 9 00:30:42 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:30:42 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] Bidding for patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F594122.5090007@nokia.com> On 03/07/2012 01:13 PM, ext adam.weinrich at nokia.com wrote: > I've discovered that corporate Qt users sometimes have a need for their > bugs or features they care about to be escalated and they are willing to > pay for it. At the DD11 SFO Contributors Summit we had a discussion > during the Qt Project Corporate Outreach session where we brainstormed > about a bidding system to address the need for such one-off development > work. > > A partner services engagement is one-to-one relationship with a high cost > of entry. We could provide an alternative which opened up bidding on JIRA > tasks to all, partners as well as freelance programmers. Maybe even > multiple parties interested in a task could commit to pay what its worth > to them and once the pooled amount is worth their effort a contractor > agrees to do the work. > > I wonderŠ > 1) How we could integrate this into the community workflow Does it need to be integrated? Why not keeping the Qt Project infrastructure and workflow focusing on the development, leaving the business motivations and organization aside? > 2) How to assure trust and payment Using a 3rd party service. I don't see the Qt Project infrastructure and the thin legal & accounting overhead having to take that responsibility. http://www.freelancer.com/ could be an option. Are there others? I'm not an expert on this. > 3) How to deal with patches that are not approved to be merged. The Qt Project context offers a lot of flexibility on this, making easier to merge good patches (while keeping away the rest, no matter how much money someone is willing to pay for its merge). No bounty should come with a promise that the patch would be merged. The reasons for patches to be merged or not are based in many factors and this is what someone willing to see a patch upstream should look at. Let's look at the possible scenarios considering that there are fundamentally two types of patches: bugfixes and new functionality. Bugfixes are relatively simple to merge. You need: - A patch with proof of the bugfix. Without this you wouldn't get your bounty anyway. - Needs to follow the contribution guidelines of the Qt Project and the specific module (if any). This can be required in the bounty offer. - Needs to be reviewed and approved. This can be tricky if maintainers are busy with other priorities or the module is basically unmaintained. A sub-bounty for a reviewers / approvers to have a look? Nobody should be able to buy an approval, though. If the patch is buggy or doesn't follow the guidelines it will be rejected anyway. - If we are talking about new functionality it needs to be discussed within the project in the first place. Is that functionality fitting in the module roadmap? Is someone else working on this already? What is the approach proposed for the implementation? - Note also that new features imply a new IPR risk that needs to be assessed. Maybe a brilliant patch solves a problem for a specific customer but puts in potential legal trouble the Qt Project and the unaware users of that code. > 4) How to get started Find the 3rd party service. Find a customer with money and bugs. Let's try a pilot? > Is this something the community is up for or YOU want to get involved with? I see it as a nice "add-on" that the community can work around, more than as something the Qt Project itself should take responsibility of. At the end this is about paying money for development, which is no different that what Nokia, Digia, ICS and others are doing already - keeping their accounts and agreement out of qt-project.org. -- Quim From sivan at omniqueue.com Fri Mar 9 09:31:25 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:31:25 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Devaamo Summit 2012 In-Reply-To: <4F58FF98.6090001@nokia.com> References: <4F58FF98.6090001@nokia.com> Message-ID: I might attend as well and I have a talk about extreme re-usability with Qt Quick as part of Qt-Project, if I get there, I'll try to present. Need to find whom to propose it to :) -Sivan On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > Someone forwarded this: > > http://summit.devaamo.fi/ >     Date: June 15-16, 2012 >     City: Tampere, Finland > > Anybody willing to tajke the Qt Project flag there? Or ar there contacts > and work beind done behind the scenes? There is no lack of Qt developers > in Tampere and even in the context of this event. > > Just checking. > > -- > Quim > > > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- -Sivan From cybette at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 12:21:58 2012 From: cybette at gmail.com (Carol Chen) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:21:58 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Devaamo Summit 2012 In-Reply-To: References: <4F58FF98.6090001@nokia.com> Message-ID: Propose it to me! I'm in the organizing committee for the summit. I'm currently overhauling the summit site and will add a "Call for presentations". But you can email your proposal to me anytime. Thanks! Br, Carol Chen (@cybette) Devaamo.fi (@devaamo) On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > I might attend as well and I have a talk about extreme re-usability > with Qt Quick as part of Qt-Project, if I get there, I'll try to > present. Need to find whom to propose it to :) > > -Sivan > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > > Someone forwarded this: > > > > http://summit.devaamo.fi/ > > Date: June 15-16, 2012 > > City: Tampere, Finland > > > > Anybody willing to tajke the Qt Project flag there? Or ar there contacts > > and work beind done behind the scenes? There is no lack of Qt developers > > in Tampere and even in the context of this event. > > > > Just checking. > > > > -- > > Quim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Marketing mailing list > > Marketing at qt-project.org > > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > > > > -- > -Sivan > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sivan at omniqueue.com Fri Mar 9 15:44:12 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:44:12 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <4F5911C2.8070707@nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F5911C2.8070707@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > > I guess it is better to turn this omelette: who is contributing to the Qt > Project and needs sponsorship to attend Qt CS? You Sivan are a good example, > are there more? This is something that should be relatively easy to find out > with a wiki page and a call to the Qt Project mailing lists. > I think we should forward this to the development mailing list as well, no? -- -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Fri Mar 9 15:52:06 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:52:06 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <4F5911C2.8070707@nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F5911C2.8070707@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > > We need to know who (contributing what) and coming from which country. With > this we can estimate a travel sponsorship budget. > Why don't we have a page on the wiki so people will list themselves for interest in sponsorship and say where and how they contribute, didn't we have this for last summit? Also, IIRC, last year's registration webapp included fields to indicate if you required travel and lodging assistance, we could try and use this when it becomes available again no? Perhaps allow people to request invitations and note if they require assistance there, but again - wasn't that the workflow last year? ;) -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Fri Mar 9 16:46:07 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:46:07 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <4F59141E.3060803@nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F59141E.3060803@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > > In other words, let's put the stress inviting non-Nokia + "no-former-trolls" > developers. Canonical, RIM and many http://qt.nokia.com/partners/ . A big > chunk of the (short term) future approvers should come from this front, > critical for the sustainability and health of the Qt Project. > A special case of that would be the necessitas[0] project. We can never get enough platforms to run(IMHO) on and I propose to make sure we get the principle maintainer and some of the team to the summit again this year. I met with whom I believe was the principle maintainer (a guy from Romania) last year in QtCS and since I think necessitas is going to be one of Qt's life stones in the non Nokia world. We should get in touch with him ( BogDan Vatra) and make sure he's invited. (and consider sponsorship if travel expenses are a barrier). > > Share the draft before, please. Ok, Alex is away these days. Anybody else > knowing how registration was handled last year? > I've put the original on the wiki, I'll edit it there for comments feedback and your moderation: http://wiki.qt-project.org/Invitation_email [0]: http://sourceforge.net/p/necessitas/home/necessitas/ > -- > Quim -- -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Fri Mar 9 16:59:13 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:59:13 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <8E5B7545-3D33-4839-BAE0-91651E35CA00@googlemail.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F59141E.3060803@nokia.com> <8E5B7545-3D33-4839-BAE0-91651E35CA00@googlemail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Volker Götz wrote: > It was handled via some external website/service. One had to apply on that page, giving some reasons why one should get an invitation (being a code >contributor, etc.). AFAIK Alexandra then reviewed and approved the applications. Once one was accepted one got an invitation to the respective group >on Qt Developer Network. I don't know the gory details though. That just what I gathered on the dev net moderators' IRC channel. That seems to be the external service we used: http://www.confirmit.com/home.aspx -Sivan From dangelog at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 17:00:45 2012 From: dangelog at gmail.com (Giuseppe D'Angelo) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:00:45 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F59141E.3060803@nokia.com> <8E5B7545-3D33-4839-BAE0-91651E35CA00@googlemail.com> Message-ID: On 9 March 2012 15:59, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Volker Götz > wrote: >> It was handled via some external website/service. One had to apply on that page, giving some reasons why one should get an invitation (being a code >contributor, etc.). AFAIK Alexandra then reviewed and approved the applications. Once one was accepted one got an invitation to the respective group >on Qt Developer Network. I don't know the gory details though. That just what I gathered on the dev net moderators' IRC channel. > > That seems to be the external service we used: > http://www.confirmit.com/home.aspx FWIW even a simple thing like a Google Docs form may be enough. You'd just have to ask "Who are you? Why you? Do you need sponsorship?"... -- Giuseppe D'Angelo From rauch at kde.org Fri Mar 9 17:04:29 2012 From: rauch at kde.org (Claudia Rauch) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:04:29 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F59141E.3060803@nokia.com> <8E5B7545-3D33-4839-BAE0-91651E35CA00@googlemail.com> Message-ID: On 9 March 2012 17:00, Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > On 9 March 2012 15:59, Sivan Greenberg wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Volker Götz >> wrote: >>> It was handled via some external website/service. One had to apply on that page, giving some reasons why one should get an invitation (being a code >contributor, etc.). AFAIK Alexandra then reviewed and approved the applications. Once one was accepted one got an invitation to the respective group >on Qt Developer Network. I don't know the gory details though. That just what I gathered on the dev net moderators' IRC channel. >> >> That seems to be the external service we used: >> http://www.confirmit.com/home.aspx > > FWIW even a simple thing like a Google Docs form may be enough. You'd > just have to ask "Who are you? Why you? Do you need sponsorship?"... Just a thought: you might want to keep the applications private and not on a public wiki, or google doc. People might not want it to be public knowledge that they ask for a travel sponsorship. -- Claudia Rauch Business Manager KDE e.V. Linienstr. 141 10115 Berlin Germany Phone: +49 (0) 30 2023 7305 0 Fax: +49 (0) 30 2023 7305 9 Mobile: +49 178 522 3086 KDE e.V. is a German Verein registered at the Amtsgericht Tübingen (VR1301). Its president is Cornelius Schumacher. For more information please see http://ev.kde.org, and http://kde.org/ From quim.gil at nokia.com Fri Mar 9 18:21:58 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:21:58 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F5911C2.8070707@nokia.com> Message-ID: <4F5A3C36.5080304@nokia.com> On 03/09/2012 06:52 AM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Quim Gil wrote: >> >> We need to know who (contributing what) and coming from which country. With >> this we can estimate a travel sponsorship budget. >> > > Why don't we have a page on the wiki so people will list themselves > for interest in sponsorship and say where and how they contribute, > didn't we have this for last summit? Good question, why don't we? #YouReTheOwnerNow ;) -- Quim From quim.gil at nokia.com Fri Mar 9 18:28:16 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:28:16 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17762DD8@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F59141E.3060803@nokia.com> <8E5B7545-3D33-4839-BAE0-91651E35CA00@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4F5A3DB0.1030501@nokia.com> On 03/09/2012 08:04 AM, ext Claudia Rauch wrote: > On 9 March 2012 17:00, Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: >> On 9 March 2012 15:59, Sivan Greenberg wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Volker Götz >>> wrote: >>>> It was handled via some external website/service. One had to apply on that page, giving some reasons why one should get an invitation (being a code>contributor, etc.). AFAIK Alexandra then reviewed and approved the applications. Once one was accepted one got an invitation to the respective group>on Qt Developer Network. I don't know the gory details though. That just what I gathered on the dev net moderators' IRC channel. >>> >>> That seems to be the external service we used: >>> http://www.confirmit.com/home.aspx >> >> FWIW even a simple thing like a Google Docs form may be enough. You'd >> just have to ask "Who are you? Why you? Do you need sponsorship?"... About the tool, let's wait for Alex to know her thoughts after the experience last year. In the meantime we can work on the rest of details. > Just a thought: you might want to keep the applications private and > not on a public wiki, or google doc. People might not want it to be > public knowledge that they ask for a travel sponsorship. After some GUADECs, Maemo & MeeGo events, in my experience having the process fully public is quite healthy. Sponsors, sponsored and the rest of participants can see the good use of the sponsorship budget. If someone has a really exceptional case s/he can always contact us from the backstage door. -- Quim From randall.arnold at texrat.net Fri Mar 9 18:55:56 2012 From: randall.arnold at texrat.net (Randall G. Arnold) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:55:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <4F59226C.1020405@nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <3F0879E5-A40F-41CF-B289-43C5A1C4D21C@googlemail.com> <4F59226C.1020405@nokia.com> Message-ID: <1061265814.526967.1331315756399.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> I added http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Tips to the wiki with a reference to the Maemo attendee table. Hope this helps. Randy On March 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM Quim Gil wrote: > On 03/08/2012 01:00 PM, ext Volker Götz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Am 07.03.2012 um 23:32 schrieb > > : > > > >> About hotels and reservations, for the first Maemo Summit we had a > >> group booking done at Ibis Hotel Mitte for the participants that we > >> were sponsoring. > > > > Some relatively cheap alternative could be Hotel Alex > > (http://www.alex-hotel.de/) at Greifswalder Strasse. It's 3 tram > > stations to Alexanderplatz, not that close to Kalkscheune, but public > > transport is good at that place. I didn't stay there myself - but > > it's close to where I live :-) And it's relatively new. > > Thanks! > > > I have added > http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Accommodation > > Everybody is encouraged to add their own recommendations, tips & tricks. > > fwiw in the Maemo summits we organized also sharing rooms through wiki > page, cutting costs for sponsored participants. > > -- > Quim > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quim.gil at nokia.com Fri Mar 9 19:24:07 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:24:07 -0800 Subject: [Marketing] [Releasing] Qt 4.8.1 open source release date approaching.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F5A4AC7.8040103@nokia.com> >> 2012/3/9 Salovaara Akseli: >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> We are currently preparing& testing Qt 4.8.1 open source release for >>> next >>> week. Exact release date is still open, until all tests are passed. Can we have a bit of marketing coordination, please? If the 4.8.1 release happens next week then it's fne. If it jumps to the following week then it's when the Qt 5 alpha release is planned. In that case we should either align on the same day (mmm not sure) or leave some days in between. Who is working on the 4.8.1 announcement and release notes? Feel free using the wiki or any other public way to follow the work. Also, what about a blog post at http://blog.qt.nokia.com/ ? I believe we should do this but I need to check. Who would write it? We usually have a draft 24h in advance for peer review. Let's move this discussion to the [Marketing] list. -- Quim From abenito at kde.org Sat Mar 10 14:09:40 2012 From: abenito at kde.org (Agustin Benito Bethencourt) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:09:40 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Akademy-es 2012: a good opportunity Message-ID: <1466787.ZjgJK02QMD@galdos> Hi, KDE Spain will celebrate Akademy-es[1] in Saragossa, Spain from May 18th to May 20th. Organized by this KDE eV subsidiary organization, it is supported by Saragossa City Council and the regional FLOSS SME Association. I think this event is a good start point to build a Qt community in Spain. We expect 100 people this year, most of them Computer Science students and engineers, besides the Spanish KDE community. The Call for Papers[2] is open until April 18th. Albert Alstad CId is KDE Spain President (currently working for Canonical as Qt Expert) a long term KDE contributor (Okular, Kgeography.......), is in CC. He is person to talk to. [1] http://www.kde-espana.es/akademy-es2012/anuncio.php [2] http://www.kde-espana.es/akademy-es2012/callforpapers.php Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt KDE eV member Linkedin Profile: http://es.linkedin.com/in/toscalix From sivan at omniqueue.com Mon Mar 12 14:59:59 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:59:59 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS Accommodation (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <4F5A3C36.5080304@nokia.com> References: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17763170@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4F5911C2.8070707@nokia.com> <4F5A3C36.5080304@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Quim Gil wrote: >> Why don't we have a page on the wiki so people will list themselves >> for interest in sponsorship and say where and how they contribute, >> didn't we have this for last summit? > > > Good question, why don't we? Quim, I've decided to wait with this, until we hear from Alex with info about the registration system. -Sivan From alexandra.leisse at nokia.com Mon Mar 12 16:18:18 2012 From: alexandra.leisse at nokia.com (alexandra.leisse at nokia.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:18:18 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <4F5A3DB0.1030501@nokia.com> Message-ID: Hi! Since the whole discussion is spread over approximately 5 different threads, I just picked one and will note down my thoughts on questions I don't remember exactly where they came from. Sorry if that confuses anyone. :P REGISTRATION PROCESS First, I asked people to request an invitation by blogging on Labs and sending emails to a bunch of suitable mailing-lists. At the same time I also asked internally about people we should invite because they would be good to have present during discussions. Externals could fill in a very basic form I had set up on qt.nokia.com that basically filled a spreadsheet. After closing the form, I went through the list together with (mainly) Thiago and marked the ones that would get an invitation. I only had to decline a handful of people who were clearly not fulfilling the attendee criteria. Then I picked out the email addresses from said spreadsheet, combined them with the ones I had collected internally and sent out invitations via a survey tool we had available for general marketing purposes. The only upside of this was that I could send nagging reminders to the people who didn't react to the first email requesting their info for sign-up. Both steps can be easily accomplished by setting up a survey on top of a Google spreadsheet. And trust me, a spreadsheet is what you will need in the end anyway, and one that is manually maintainable. I'm sure Claudia can confirm. :P CAPTURING ATTENDEE DATA Speaking of spreadsheets, I agree with Claudia that you want to restrict access to private data such as emails etc. Some people use email addresses they are sure they will properly monitor and which are not necessarily the ones that they want to be displayed in public. Besides, you will have to capture things like passport details for visa invitations as well. This is also the reason why I can't just hand over last year's attendee list to everybody. If you think it being beneficial, I can give it to Quim but I don't really see what you would gain from that. I'd expect the relevant people to be monitoring the appropriate channels anyway. ACCOMMODATION It's difficult to reserve room blocks, especially in budget hotels. One of the reasons why I picked the Park Inn was their flexibility, however they are expensive. I don't have a good recommendation to solve this problem, maybe Claudia has after organizing the Desktop Summit last summer. SCHEDULE I asked for session proposals and pretty much nothing happened until we were ready to start. It didn't cause any trouble apart from a bit of chaos around synchronizing wiki etc with the master schedule on paper and the impossibility to plan rooms based on popularity of the session. It's a fair approach to try better this time but I wouldn't hold my breath. I hope that helps. Alex From rauch at kde.org Mon Mar 12 16:54:10 2012 From: rauch at kde.org (Claudia Rauch) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:54:10 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: References: <4F5A3DB0.1030501@nokia.com> Message-ID: On 12 March 2012 16:18, wrote: > Hi! > > Since the whole discussion is spread over approximately 5 different > threads, I just picked one and will note down my thoughts on questions I > don't remember exactly where they came from. Sorry if that confuses > anyone. :P > > REGISTRATION PROCESS > > First, I asked people to request an invitation by blogging on Labs and > sending emails to a bunch of suitable mailing-lists. At the same time I > also asked internally about people we should invite because they would be > good to have present during discussions. Externals could fill in a very > basic form I had set up on qt.nokia.com that basically filled a > spreadsheet. > > After closing the form, I went through the list together with (mainly) > Thiago and marked the ones that would get an invitation. I only had to > decline a handful of people who were clearly not fulfilling the attendee > criteria. > > Then I picked out the email addresses from said spreadsheet, combined them > with the ones I had collected internally and sent out invitations via a > survey tool we had available for general marketing purposes. The only > upside of this was that I could send nagging reminders to the people who > didn't react to the first email requesting their info for sign-up. > > Both steps can be easily accomplished by setting up a survey on top of a > Google spreadsheet. And trust me, a spreadsheet is what you will need in > the end anyway, and one that is manually maintainable. I'm sure Claudia > can confirm. :P Confirmed ;). > CAPTURING ATTENDEE DATA > > Speaking of spreadsheets, I agree with Claudia that you want to restrict > access to private data such as emails etc. Some people use email addresses > they are sure they will properly monitor and which are not necessarily the > ones that they want to be displayed in public. Besides, you will have to > capture things like passport details for visa invitations as well. And birth dates etc. BTW, for visa invitations you really do not want to waste much more time. Encourage people to request them asap. And be prepared that you'll get some fake requests from people that just want a visa and have nothing to do with Qt. > This is also the reason why I can't just hand over last year's attendee > list to everybody. If you think it being beneficial, I can give it to Quim > but I don't really see what you would gain from that. I'd expect the > relevant people to be monitoring the appropriate channels anyway. > > ACCOMMODATION > > It's difficult to reserve room blocks, especially in budget hotels. One of > the reasons why I picked the Park Inn was their flexibility, however they > are expensive. I don't have a good recommendation to solve this problem, > maybe Claudia has after organizing the Desktop Summit last summer. For the Desktop Summit we talked to a few hotels and hostels some months in advance as summer is always very busy in Berlin. For those attendees that we sponsored I prebooked rooms at http://www.cityhostel-berlin.com/ and we also paid for them. Which also meant that people applied for a sponsored room with KDE or GNOME and I assigned those rooms to the people. You might want to check with Cityhostel, they were very helpful. If you check https://desktopsummit.org/accommodation you will find those hotels and hostel we recommended for our attendees last year. Many of them are located in Berlin-Mitte and are not far from Kalkscheune. > SCHEDULE > > I asked for session proposals and pretty much nothing happened until we > were ready to start. It didn't cause any trouble apart from a bit of chaos > around synchronizing wiki etc with the master schedule on paper and the > impossibility to plan rooms based on popularity of the session. It's a > fair approach to try better this time but I wouldn't hold my breath. > > I hope that helps. > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- Claudia Rauch Business Manager KDE e.V. Linienstr. 141 10115 Berlin Germany Phone: +49 (0) 30 2023 7305 0 Fax: +49 (0) 30 2023 7305 9 Mobile: +49 178 522 3086 KDE e.V. is a German Verein registered at the Amtsgericht Tübingen (VR1301). Its president is Cornelius Schumacher. For more information please see http://ev.kde.org, and http://kde.org/ From quim.gil at nokia.com Mon Mar 12 17:41:03 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (quim.gil at nokia.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:41:03 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: References: <4F5A3DB0.1030501@nokia.com>, Message-ID: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17765240@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Thanks Alex, The existence of the Qt Project and a first Summit should make registration to Qt CS a lot easier. Looking at http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Participation_criteria we can see that - Approvers and maintainers are known by JIRA/Gerrit as such. - Participants in the first Summit are known by http://qt-project.org/groups/qt_contributors_summit/members (although some "trolls-2011" might be missing there). - We can tell who is in the organization team. - We can tell who is a sponsor. This makes accepting a nice % of the candidates a no-brainer task. About the invited participants, they should also have a JIRA/Gerrit or DevNet account. Acceptance or not will probably be an easy task as well, based on who invites, who is the invited and how many seats are left. I will leave to Sivan the decision to use a wiki page, a spreadsheet or else. In my opinion the closer to the Qt Project infra the better. For instance, we could have a public list where candidates would fill this info: - Qt Project membership URL: http://qt-project.org/member/nnnnn (login to find out & make sure your email address is correct in order to receive notifications) - Only code contributors: http://codereview.qt-project.org profile URL - Name (as printed in badge) - Organization (as printed in badge) - Select checkbox: Maintainer, Approver, Sponsor, 2011 participant, Invited - Optional field: Invited by? (needs to be maintainer or organizer) - Requires visa support? - Requires travel sponsorship? - Tshirt: M / F S - M - L - XL - XXL (just in case we DO get budget for shirts) An extra field CONFIRMED would be left for the organizers. It would be blank by default, or OK for those confirmed. http://qt-project.org/groups/qt_contributors_summit/members could be reset and the organizers would add there the participants confirmed. I bet this has some advantages when it comes to send notifications at once and collaboration between participants? And we can get them a nice badge, perhaps? -- Quim From alexandra.leisse at nokia.com Wed Mar 14 13:35:44 2012 From: alexandra.leisse at nokia.com (alexandra.leisse at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:35:44 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17765240@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: On 12.3.2012 5:41 PM, "Gil Quim (Nokia-DXM/SiliconValley)" wrote: >Thanks Alex, > >The existence of the Qt Project and a first Summit should make >registration to Qt CS a lot easier. Actually, I don't agree. See below. >Looking at >http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Participation_cri >teria we can see that > >- Approvers and maintainers are known by JIRA/Gerrit as such. >- Participants in the first Summit are known by >http://qt-project.org/groups/qt_contributors_summit/members (although >some "trolls-2011" might be missing there). >- We can tell who is in the organization team. >- We can tell who is a sponsor. > >This makes accepting a nice % of the candidates a no-brainer task. This was pretty much the case before as well. Those who asked for an invitation knew that they would fit. There was really only a tiny number of edge cases, and they were pretty obvious. >About the invited participants, they should also have a JIRA/Gerrit or >DevNet account. Acceptance or not will probably be an easy task as well, >based on who invites, who is the invited and how many seats are left. Yup. All pretty straight forward, also last time. >I will leave to Sivan the decision to use a wiki page, a spreadsheet or >else. In my opinion the closer to the Qt Project infra the better. For >instance, we could have a public list where candidates would fill this >info: > >- Qt Project membership URL: http://qt-project.org/member/nnnnn (login to >find out & make sure your email address is correct in order to receive >notifications) >- Only code contributors: http://codereview.qt-project.org profile URL >- Name (as printed in badge) >- Organization (as printed in badge) >- Select checkbox: Maintainer, Approver, Sponsor, 2011 participant, >Invited >- Optional field: Invited by? (needs to be maintainer or organizer) >- Requires visa support? >- Requires travel sponsorship? >- Tshirt: M / F S - M - L - XL - XXL (just in case we DO get budget for >shirts) > >An extra field CONFIRMED would be left for the organizers. It would be >blank by default, or OK for those confirmed. So far so good. And that's where the actual work starts. After people received their invitations, you need to confirm their attendance. Otherwise you're operating with fuzzy numbers, and you will end up with empty seats and people not getting in. All of this needs to be tracked. In conclusion, the registration process was not the difficult or complicated part. Keeping track of people was, especially since you need reliable attendance numbers for food, infrastructure and potentially hotel rooms. And to my experience, good developers are not necessarily good at organizing themselves ("Oh? Is it next month already?"). :P >http://qt-project.org/groups/qt_contributors_summit/members could be >reset and the organizers would add there the participants confirmed. I >bet this has some advantages when it comes to send notifications at once >and collaboration between participants? And we can get them a nice badge, >perhaps? We'll start a new group, for historic reasons and because of the way the badge system works. I'll rename the old group to Qt Contributors' Summit 2011, and we're safe. Sending emails to all group members is fairly easy but it requires that everyone is registered on DevNet and has accepted messages from other members. Cheers, Alex From daniel.molkentin at nokia.com Wed Mar 14 15:57:35 2012 From: daniel.molkentin at nokia.com (daniel.molkentin at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Meeting at Kalkscheune tomorrow, 1pm Message-ID: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C1012498E8@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> Hi, We'll be at Kalkscheune tomorrow to prepare QtCS. Here is a list of my topics for tomorrow. Reply if you have more: - Check out required Infrastructure o `Wifi o wired LAN o Power outlets - Check how we can realize a social event - Check the possibility of breakout sessions outside the seminar rooms Is there more we can/short clarify? 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Especially the entrance, space for registration & hanging around. For instance: where could we have the unconference schedule wall? Pictures are also appreciated. Thank you very much for doing this. -- Quim From randall.arnold at texrat.net Wed Mar 14 16:32:16 2012 From: randall.arnold at texrat.net (Randall G. Arnold) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Marketing] Meeting at Kalkscheune tomorrow, 1pm In-Reply-To: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C1012498E8@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C1012498E8@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: <914947211.707169.1331739136321.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> responses below On March 14, 2012 at 10:57 AM daniel.molkentin at nokia.com wrote: > Hi, > > We'll be at Kalkscheune tomorrow to prepare QtCS. Here is a list of my topics for tomorrow. Reply if you have more: > > > - Check out required Infrastructure > > o `Wifi > > o wired LAN This as we all know is critical. Time and time again I have been to events where IP allocation was not well planned in advance. At the MeeGo event in Dublin this was especially an issue because the hosts did not understand "geek" needs. So at a *minimum*, 2 IP addresses per attendee (typically phone + laptop/tablet). I would also add a percentage of overhead, say 15%, on top of that. It's not like the cost goes up significantly per address allocated. ;) Repeaters are also important if the venue is spread out or "cut up", ie, a lot of surfaces for wifi to get lost around. > > o Power outlets > > - Check how we can realize a social event Also a well-identified charging station with good security. Some Nokia events have lock boxes similar to those at a post office. Maybe even loaner phones for those needing a charge? (important for sealed battery devices like the N9 if attendee only brings one) > > - Check the possibility of breakout sessions outside the seminar rooms Definitely expect the need for breakout sessions. People will get ideas from a talk and want to discuss with other attendees while the thoughts are still hot. Who knows what could be created if the event fosters that! I saw a great deal of that energy turned quickly into onsite development at Maemo Summit and it really galvanized the community. Randall (Randy) Arnold Developer and Enthusiast Advocate http://texrat.net +18177396806 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The event was dimensioned for 500-800 people and we had 1100 showing up, each with 2 devices. Then people got a third device. > So at a *minimum*, 2 IP addresses per attendee (typically phone + > laptop/tablet). I would also add a percentage of overhead, say 15%, on top > of that. It's not like the cost goes up significantly per address > allocated. ;) > > Repeaters are also important if the venue is spread out or "cut up", ie, a > lot of surfaces for wifi to get lost around. Danimo did a very good job last year. I had no complaints about the network at QtCS. Maybe there was a problem during the opening sessions, when everyone was in the same room. I don't remember. > > o Power outlets > > > > - Check how we can realize a social event > > Also a well-identified charging station with good security. Some Nokia > events have lock boxes similar to those at a post office. Maybe even > loaner phones for those needing a charge? (important for sealed battery > devices like the N9 if attendee only brings one) Would be nice if Nokia sponsored that, but Nokia might turn around and say that their phones definitely last through the day in one battery charge :-) Not a priority in my mind. > > - Check the possibility of breakout sessions outside the seminar > rooms > > > Definitely expect the need for breakout sessions. People will get ideas > from a talk and want to discuss with other attendees while the thoughts are > still hot. Who knows what could be created if the event fosters that! I > saw a great deal of that energy turned quickly into onsite development at > Maemo Summit and it really galvanized the community. +1 -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center Intel Sweden AB - Registration Number: 556189-6027 Knarrarnäsgatan 15, 164 40 Kista, Stockholm, Sweden -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At the MeeGo event in > > Dublin this was especially an issue because the hosts did not understand > > "geek" needs. > > We did understand the need. We just underestimated the level of geekiness and > the number of people who showed up. The event was dimensioned for 500-800 > people and we had 1100 showing up, each with 2 devices. Then people got a > third device. I didn't mean you, Thiago. When I said "hosts" I meant the facility. I heard from Intel that people directly responsible for infrastructure were arguing against opening up the IP range. Anyway, old news and I know that you know what's needed. ;) > > > > o Power outlets > > > > > > - Check how we can realize a social event > > > > Also a well-identified charging station with good security. Some Nokia > > events have lock boxes similar to those at a post office. Maybe even > > loaner phones for those needing a charge? (important for sealed battery > > devices like the N9 if attendee only brings one) > > Would be nice if Nokia sponsored that, but Nokia might turn around and say > that their phones definitely last through the day in one battery charge :-) > > Not a priority in my mind. > I certainly don't mean to rely on Nokia; that was just a reference. Even an ad hoc charging station would work. Something. Anything. Based on my own experience (including this week at South by Southwest where I went through 2 N9s each day) this should at least be considered. User needs have really outstripped battery capabilities. Randall (Randy) Arnold Developer and Enthusiast Advocate http://texrat.net +18177396806 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quim.gil at nokia.com Wed Mar 14 19:07:32 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:07:32 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> On 03/14/2012 05:35 AM, Leisse Alexandra (Nokia-DXM/Oslo) wrote: > In conclusion, the registration process was not the difficult or > complicated part. Keeping track of people was, especially since you need > reliable attendance numbers for food, infrastructure and potentially hotel > rooms. And to my experience, good developers are not necessarily good at > organizing themselves ("Oh? Is it next month already?"). :P As I see this, the way to solve the problem is NOT sending invitations. This is the Qt Contributors Summit: if you are maintainer you NEED to register and be there. If you are an approver you'd BETTER register and be there. If you need travel sponsorship you'd BETTER act fast. If these guys don't take their seats, others will. Catering needs will be defined according to registered participants a week before the event (the usual margin). Accommodation is something participants take care of themselves. If someone forgets to register, book flights or hotel... Well, we are not their mum. What we will do is to create enough fuzz and interest to make it difficult to forget about the QtCS. So the very practical questions still remain: - How can people start applying for the event registration? Can someone apply to a DevNet group QtCS 2012 pending approval by a moderator (e.g. me)? - How can people manifest their travel sponsorship needs? Sivan or whoever is interested: please create a wiki page under http://qt-project.org/wiki (yes, that one integrated with DevNet profiles etc). -- Quim From quim.gil at nokia.com Wed Mar 14 19:21:08 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:21:08 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Fwd: South East Linux Fest ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F60E194.1060202@nokia.com> Hi, anybody interested? At least the Nokia team can't put efforts on this event. -- Quim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: South East Linux Fest ??? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:16:30 -0400 From: ext Bryan Smith To: , Hello Quim, I serve as the Speaker Coordinator for South East Linux Fest(SELF) and we'd love to have you guys submit a few talks on Qt and perhaps occupy a booth to show off Qt and Raspberry Pi. Please let me know if you or any of your other great engineers will be available for our event being held June 8-10 in Charlotte, NC This is the 4th annual event: http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/ RFP: http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/rfp2012/form.html Please let me know your thoughts! BTW nice stuff at SCALE, Bryan -- A healthy diet includes Linux, Linux, and more Linux. From thiago.macieira at intel.com Wed Mar 14 19:23:51 2012 From: thiago.macieira at intel.com (Thiago Macieira) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:23:51 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Meeting at Kalkscheune tomorrow, 1pm In-Reply-To: <755655474.717927.1331748332875.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> References: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C1012498E8@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> <2853419.4k7ydSIm0m@tjmaciei-mobl2> <755655474.717927.1331748332875.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> Message-ID: <8763220.5CUdf4t6M3@tjmaciei-mobl2> On quarta-feira, 14 de março de 2012 14.05.32, Randall G. Arnold wrote: > > We did understand the need. We just underestimated the level of geekiness > > and > > > the number of people who showed up. The event was dimensioned for 500-800 > > people and we had 1100 showing up, each with 2 devices. Then people got a > > third device. > > I didn't mean you, Thiago. When I said "hosts" I meant the facility. I > heard from Intel that people directly responsible for infrastructure were > arguing against opening up the IP range. Oh, right. I had forgotten that little detail. Usually, the venue wants to organise the networking infrastructure and they do underestimate us, even if the organisers knew fully well it wasn't enough. For example, at UDS, the Canonical people insist on running the network by themselves. The venue isn't selected unless they get that. Not to mention they need to run a DNS server and thus need special DHCP settings. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center Intel Sweden AB - Registration Number: 556189-6027 Knarrarnäsgatan 15, 164 40 Kista, Stockholm, Sweden -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From sivan at omniqueue.com Wed Mar 14 19:38:00 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:38:00 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration (was RE: Can perhaps help a bit to prepare QtCS 2012) In-Reply-To: <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17765240@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <4F5A3DB0.1030501@nokia.com> <7C37471D020C0A4DBF3DE62B30172C4F17765240@008-AM1MPN1-062.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: Apologies for not responding before, I'm in hectic flow of consecutive days of day job crazyness... On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > > I will leave to Sivan the decision to use a wiki page, a spreadsheet or else. In my opinion the closer to the Qt Project infra the better. For instance, we could have a public list where candidates would fill this info: > > - Qt Project membership URL: http://qt-project.org/member/nnnnn (login to find out & make sure your email address is correct in order to receive notifications) > - Only code contributors: http://codereview.qt-project.org profile URL > - Name (as printed in badge) > - Organization (as printed in badge) > - Select checkbox: Maintainer, Approver, Sponsor, 2011 participant, Invited > - Optional field: Invited by? (needs to be maintainer or organizer) > - Requires visa support? > - Requires travel sponsorship? > - Tshirt: M / F  S - M - L - XL - XXL (just in case we DO get budget for shirts) I will send a call shorty to the mailing lists I Know of (interest, development etc..) what about blogging in labs ? (once I have the wiki page ready I will inform Quim). Quim: Let us draft together the email to be sent as an engagement to prospective people somewhere on the wiki? > > An extra field CONFIRMED would be left for the organizers. It would be blank by default, or OK for those confirmed. Using the devnet infra, we should have a list of confirmed and the public list. Such that a user could not deem himself 'confirmed' once he can edit the page to add himself. Suggestions? > > http://qt-project.org/groups/qt_contributors_summit/members could be reset and the organizers would add there the participants confirmed. I bet this has some advantages when it comes to send notifications at once and collaboration between participants? And we can get them a nice badge, perhaps? > I would assume so, so a question to the infra team of devnet, indeed once we have this members populated, how would I trigger the notification to all the confirmed people at that list so they know they need to make arrangements to attend? -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Wed Mar 14 19:46:29 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:46:29 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > > As I see this, the way to solve the problem is NOT sending invitations. > This is the Qt Contributors Summit: if you are maintainer you NEED to > register and be there. If you are an approver you'd BETTER register and > be there. If you need travel sponsorship you'd BETTER act fast. If these > guys don't take their seats, others will. > I'd have to second. I know for myself I waited throughout the year for the discussion about QtCS to pop up, and monitored the traffic to know sooner then later what/when. > Catering needs will be defined according to registered participants a > week before the event (the usual margin). > Can I ask people to fill it in the wiki table? (I think this is common in other projects as well, e.g. Ubuntu). > Accommodation is something participants take care of themselves. > > If someone forgets to register, book flights or hotel... Well, we are > not their mum. What we will do is to create enough fuzz and interest to > make it difficult to forget about the QtCS. Yes, so see my previous note about the "engagement" note. I'd like us to send it both to mailing lists and have it on the labs blogs and I will also tweet about it myself, we should aim to use @Nokia_Connects and the rest of the Twitter space related to qt and nokia to buzz about the event. About Visa considerations, perhaps we can just provide a generic visa letter to participants that require it and we confirmed are not "fake" ? To confirm that they'd have to outline their contributions to the project if not already approvers/ maintainers etc.. Come to think of it, when applying folks better link us to at least some of their work or blog posts etc if they are more into promotion and want to get involved. > > So the very practical questions still remain: > > - How can people start applying for the event registration? > Can someone apply to a DevNet group QtCS 2012 pending approval by a > moderator (e.g. me)? > Or we can set up and email address , I can even set up an email alias somewhere on my domain so people will send applications there if that's viable. But a dev net group might be better if the admin infra is manageable and easy to use. > - How can people manifest their travel sponsorship needs? > Sivan or whoever is interested: please create a wiki page under > http://qt-project.org/wiki (yes, that one integrated with DevNet > profiles etc). On my way to do so.. stay tuned, link coming. -Sivan From quim.gil at nokia.com Wed Mar 14 19:57:32 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:57:32 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> Message-ID: <4F60EA1C.7040807@nokia.com> On 03/14/2012 11:46 AM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: > I'd like us > to send it both to mailing lists and have it on the labs blogs We will announce the QtCS in blogs and etc as soon as we can register people to a place for registration and for sponsorship requests. The comms machine will be busy next Tuesday with Qt 5 Alpha. After that the way is more or less clean for Qt CS. >> - How can people start applying for the event registration? >> Can someone apply to a DevNet group QtCS 2012 pending approval by a >> moderator (e.g. me)? >> > Or we can set up and email address , I can even set up an email alias > somewhere on my domain so people will send applications there if > that's viable. But a dev net group might be better if the admin infra > is manageable and easy to use. Mmm if there is no nice DevNet-only process possible then a possibility would be to send your info via email, yes. But... can't we do this through a web form and have the data stored somewhere other than someone's mailbox? We end up with the online spreadsheet (or similar) that Alex was talking about. >> - How can people manifest their travel sponsorship needs? >> Sivan or whoever is interested: please create a wiki page under >> http://qt-project.org/wiki (yes, that one integrated with DevNet >> profiles etc). > > On my way to do so.. stay tuned, link coming. Good, thanks! :) -- Quim From sivan at omniqueue.com Wed Mar 14 20:01:52 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:01:52 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F60EA1C.7040807@nokia.com> References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> <4F60EA1C.7040807@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > We will announce the QtCS in blogs and etc as soon as we can register people > to a place for registration and for sponsorship requests. Sure thing. > > The comms machine will be busy next Tuesday with Qt 5 Alpha. After that the > way is more or less clean for Qt CS. Noted. > > > Mmm if there is no nice DevNet-only process possible then a possibility > would be to send your info via email, yes. But... can't we do this through a > web form and have the data stored somewhere other than someone's mailbox? We > end up with the online spreadsheet (or similar) that Alex was talking about. I can come up with something by the weekend, using Django etc, but rather than hosting it myself I think it'd be better if it is some sort of Nokia infrastructure. Do we not have any response about that from the DevNet infrastructure team? can you re-ping them? Can I re-use the Survey system ? (I imagine that would incur costs before I can re-use it) Also, yes, I must be able to print this list so onsite I'd be able to do the "real time" last minutes changes as Claudia mentioned ;) -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Wed Mar 14 20:31:55 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:31:55 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > - How can people manifest their travel sponsorship needs? > Sivan or whoever is interested: please create a wiki page under > http://qt-project.org/wiki (yes, that one integrated with DevNet > profiles etc). > http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees Table is up here, but we probably should wait announcing it until we have the registration (which is indeed an invite request?) infra to use? -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Wed Mar 14 20:42:57 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:42:57 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> Message-ID: I've put some more resources on the wiki related to registration: http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtSummitBuzz (a draft for the buzz email and note to encourage people to register) http://wiki.qt-project.org/Next_steps (next steps email sent to those who registered and got their slot allocated?) FYI, Thanks! -Sivan On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Quim Gil wrote: >> - How can people manifest their travel sponsorship needs? >> Sivan or whoever is interested: please create a wiki page under >> http://qt-project.org/wiki (yes, that one integrated with DevNet >> profiles etc). >> > > http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees > > Table is up here, but we probably should wait announcing it until we > have the registration (which is indeed an invite request?) infra to > use? > > -Sivan -- -Sivan From quim.gil at nokia.com Wed Mar 14 21:29:55 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:29:55 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> Message-ID: <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> On 03/14/2012 12:31 PM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Quim Gil wrote: >> - How can people manifest their travel sponsorship needs? >> Sivan or whoever is interested: please create a wiki page under >> http://qt-project.org/wiki (yes, that one integrated with DevNet >> profiles etc). >> > > http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees > > Table is up here, but we probably should wait announcing it until we > have the registration (which is indeed an invite request?) infra to > use? Can we use http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees instead? As said, it is better to create new content at the DevNet wiki, next to DevNet profiles etc. But first of all, what are you aiming to do? Is this the wiki page for participants requesting sponsorship or *the* registration page? I actually don't mind (much) about the tools, but about the number of steps needed to get someone confirmed / declined. According to this wiki page you seem to be suggesting this workflow: 1. Candidate adds own details to wiki table. 2a. Organizer confirms, updates wiki and adds participant to Qt S DevNet group. 2b. Organizer declines, updates wiki accordingly. That would be a simple process, if feasible and people don't mind adding themselves to wiki tables. -- Quim From berlinbikerx at googlemail.com Wed Mar 14 23:12:48 2012 From: berlinbikerx at googlemail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_G=F6tz?=) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:12:48 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> Message-ID: Hi, Am 14.03.2012 um 21:29 schrieb Quim Gil: > Can we use http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees > instead? As said, it is better to create new content at the DevNet wiki, > next to DevNet profiles etc. Good idea. But could we wait a little more time until Alexandra has setup the QtCS 2012 group. The page would fit better into the group's wiki than the general one. It has the little drawback (or advantage?), that only group members can edit the page. Cheers Volker From quim.gil at nokia.com Wed Mar 14 23:40:19 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:40:19 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> Message-ID: <4F611E53.7050907@nokia.com> On 03/14/2012 03:12 PM, ext Volker Götz wrote: > Hi, > > Am 14.03.2012 um 21:29 schrieb Quim Gil: > >> Can we use >> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees >> instead? As said, it is better to create new content at the DevNet >> wiki, next to DevNet profiles etc. > > Good idea. But could we wait a little more time until Alexandra has > setup the QtCS 2012 group. The page would fit better into the group's > wiki than the general one. It has the little drawback (or > advantage?), that only group members can edit the page. But if that wiki page is the registration, by definition all users listing themselves will be still *out* of the QtCS 2012 group... -- Quim From berlinbikerx at googlemail.com Wed Mar 14 23:43:43 2012 From: berlinbikerx at googlemail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_G=F6tz?=) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:43:43 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F611E53.7050907@nokia.com> References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> <4F611E53.7050907@nokia.com> Message-ID: <2E381FA2-12BE-4D3C-9A10-CAB3BBFD9F48@googlemail.com> Am 14.03.2012 um 23:40 schrieb Quim Gil: > On 03/14/2012 03:12 PM, ext Volker Götz wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Am 14.03.2012 um 21:29 schrieb Quim Gil: >> >>> Can we use >>> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees >>> instead? As said, it is better to create new content at the DevNet >>> wiki, next to DevNet profiles etc. >> >> Good idea. But could we wait a little more time until Alexandra has >> setup the QtCS 2012 group. The page would fit better into the group's >> wiki than the general one. It has the little drawback (or >> advantage?), that only group members can edit the page. > > But if that wiki page is the registration, by definition all users listing themselves will be still *out* of the QtCS 2012 group... The applicants have been invited to that group as soon as they were approved last year. That doesn't work out if the application shall be done via that wiki too, that's true. Greetings Volker From daniel.molkentin at nokia.com Wed Mar 14 23:47:04 2012 From: daniel.molkentin at nokia.com (daniel.molkentin at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:47:04 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Meeting at Kalkscheune tomorrow, 1pm In-Reply-To: <8763220.5CUdf4t6M3@tjmaciei-mobl2> References: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C1012498E8@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> <2853419.4k7ydSIm0m@tjmaciei-mobl2> <755655474.717927.1331748332875.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <8763220.5CUdf4t6M3@tjmaciei-mobl2> Message-ID: On Mar 14, 2012, at 19:23 , ext Thiago Macieira wrote: > > Oh, right. I had forgotten that little detail. Usually, the venue wants to > organise the networking infrastructure and they do underestimate us, even if > the organisers knew fully well it wasn't enough. > > For example, at UDS, the Canonical people insist on running the network by > themselves. The venue isn't selected unless they get that. Not to mention they > need to run a DNS server and thus need special DHCP settings. On a related note: We won't be running the network by ourselves, but we will make sure an engineer will always been on site to help out. We will also ensure that this service is flexible enough to allow for some extras (e.g. not the standard class C network configuration, etc). I am aware that the default configuration will not be good enough, but I will look at their AP technology and configuration and compare them with our figures from last year. Typically, locations try to calm you down by insisting that they have "professional infrastructure", ignoring the that the best wifi infra that money can buy will obey the laws of physics and pack up (hence the bad wifi during registration last year, there is simply no way two APs can handle 300 devices, especially because not many used the 5 Ghz frequencies in the beginning). We had all AP stats graphed out by mrtg/munin and apart from that single situation, the access points were almost bored. I'll also ask them to beam up the connection to 50 MBit/s, which they said they could do. Last time, 50 MBit/s downstream was fine, we only had one peak when the android workshop members all downloaded the non-mirrorable Android SDK. As for speeding up such things, I think we will provide desk switches in the meeting rooms and an on-site git- and http mirror again for the most important mirrors/packages. That worked pretty well last year thanks to some generous 3rd party sponsoring (hardware + domain). Cheers, Daniel From quim.gil at nokia.com Thu Mar 15 00:13:40 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:13:40 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Meeting at Kalkscheune tomorrow, 1pm In-Reply-To: References: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C1012498E8@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> <2853419.4k7ydSIm0m@tjmaciei-mobl2> <755655474.717927.1331748332875.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <8763220.5CUdf4t6M3@tjmaciei-mobl2> Message-ID: <4F612624.4010007@nokia.com> On 03/14/2012 03:47 PM, ext daniel.molkentin at nokia.com wrote: > On a related note: https://wiki.mozilla.org/EU_MozCamp_2011 "More than 250 passionate Mozillians from over 40 countries and contributing to all areas of the Mozilla project are registered to..." Kalkscheune has some experience hosting geeky events, and this was one of the reasons for choosing them. When we asked, they answered that EU MozCamp reported no problems with the WLAN. Not a guarantee, but at least a good ground. -- Quim From daniel.molkentin at nokia.com Thu Mar 15 00:24:15 2012 From: daniel.molkentin at nokia.com (daniel.molkentin at nokia.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:24:15 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Meeting at Kalkscheune tomorrow, 1pm In-Reply-To: <4F612624.4010007@nokia.com> References: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C1012498E8@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> <2853419.4k7ydSIm0m@tjmaciei-mobl2> <755655474.717927.1331748332875.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> <8763220.5CUdf4t6M3@tjmaciei-mobl2> <4F612624.4010007@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Mar 15, 2012, at 00:13 , ext Quim Gil wrote: > On 03/14/2012 03:47 PM, ext daniel.molkentin at nokia.com wrote: >> On a related note: > > https://wiki.mozilla.org/EU_MozCamp_2011 > > "More than 250 passionate Mozillians from over 40 countries and > contributing to all areas of the Mozilla project are registered to..." > > Kalkscheune has some experience hosting geeky events, and this was one > of the reasons for choosing them. When we asked, they answered that EU > MozCamp reported no problems with the WLAN. > > Not a guarantee, but at least a good ground. True. However, I am still unsure if the natures of the two events are comparable (no idea how much coding happened there). Keeping some gadgets online is one tasks, not bringing a complete AP down if someone starts downloading an SDK or pulls Qt 5 via wifi (which they should use desk switches for, but this always happens), is another entirely. Maybe I am just paranoid, but I guess that's the admin 'never-trust-a-user' part of me :-). Daniel From quim.gil at nokia.com Thu Mar 15 00:39:53 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:39:53 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Fwd: [Releasing] Qt 5 Alpha release notes - First draft In-Reply-To: <4F612B3C.3080908@nokia.com> References: <4F612B3C.3080908@nokia.com> Message-ID: <4F612C49.9010405@nokia.com> fyi. Most of the source are in the [Development] and [Releasing] lists and this is why I have bugged them there more than here. Any help with marketing reviews, assets, synced blog posts is welcome. And of course all your Qt 5 Alpha buzz on Tuesday 20. -- Quim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Releasing] Qt 5 Alpha release notes - First draft Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:35:24 -0700 From: ext Quim Gil To: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-Alpha The core story is in place. Please comment and also feel free editing the wiki directly for improvements. We still need images. They will provide implicitly the first impression many will have about Qt 5. Any suggestions? I'll see if I can get something from, Girish & Qt MediaHub... What is missing is more information about What is new. This needs to come from the maintainers, Lars or someone with the knowledge. What we have so far is http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5Features Also, what are the areas needing more attention and feedback? Anything we want to prioritize in the release notes? I'm putting a lot of time figuring out something that I bet someone else knows very well: exactly what modules go to Essentials and Add-ons, with exactly what names and pointing to exactly what links for docs or project home. There is the list that Marius sent, the lists in the wiki and the content of the tarball released today. I'm taking the latter as reference but can you point me to who can help ironing these details in the wiki page? Also forgive me if these questions are doof: - Is "Qt Platform Abstraction" a module or what? I couldn't find anything related in the tarball. - Are we releasing any binaries on Tuesday Y/N? - Is http://doc.qt.nokia.com/5.0-snapshot/index.html something we want to link directly from the release notes? It looks outdated (e.g. "What's new in Qt 4.7" - A link to instructions on how to build the Qt libraries? -- Quim _______________________________________________ Releasing mailing list Releasing at qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/releasing From sivan at omniqueue.com Thu Mar 15 13:10:07 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:10:07 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > Can we use http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees > instead? As said, it is better to create new content at the DevNet wiki, > next to DevNet profiles etc. > > But first of all, what are you aiming to do? Is this the wiki page for > participants requesting sponsorship or *the* registration page? > The original aim was to request sponsorship. > 1. Candidate adds own details to wiki table. > > 2a. Organizer confirms, updates wiki and adds participant to Qt S DevNet > group. Well, in accordance with last year workflow - sends invitation to participant to join the DevNet group? Or perhaps this is the same as adding the participant to the group? > > 2b. Organizer declines, updates wiki accordingly. > > > That would be a simple process, if feasible and people don't mind adding > themselves to wiki tables. Indeed, so it consolidates asking for sponsorship and applying for available slot. And since in last year's workflow people were really invited to the Qt group after they've applied for invite, I don't see why not using the wiki table to initiate the process, if indeed people don't mind editing some media wiki markup. Thoughts, reservations? -- -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Thu Mar 15 13:12:30 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:12:30 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> Message-ID: Hello, On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Volker Götz wrote: > Good idea. But could we wait a little more time until Alexandra has setup the QtCS 2012 group. The page would fit better into the group's wiki than the general one. It has the little drawback (or advantage?), that only group members can edit the page. > Well, we'd still need some system to enable people to register / ask to be allocated a slot, so if we're not using the Survey system like last year, what should we use instead of the wiki? -- -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Thu Mar 15 13:15:55 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:15:55 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F611E53.7050907@nokia.com> References: <4F60DE64.60207@nokia.com> <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> <4F611E53.7050907@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:40 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > > > But if that wiki page is the registration, by definition all users listing > themselves will be still *out* of the QtCS 2012 group... If we can have something that will allow users to apply for group, and then we can approve/ decline them - that'd be the best option IMHO. I saw somewhere that MediaWiki supports forms etc, but out of my quick investigation it might require a bit more involved mediawiki hacking that I'm not too familiar with. Perhaps the infra. people can help us set that up? This will relieve us of using Survey and give us the benefit of structured form to answer, auto join to the group once we approve participants, and if possible, should allow us to output a report of approved participants with their details. Any thoughts about this? Thanks! -Sivan From alexandra.leisse at nokia.com Thu Mar 15 14:56:51 2012 From: alexandra.leisse at nokia.com (alexandra.leisse at nokia.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:56:51 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 15.3.2012 1:12 PM, "ext Sivan Greenberg" wrote: >Hello, > >On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Volker Götz > wrote: >> Good idea. But could we wait a little more time until Alexandra has >>setup the QtCS 2012 group. The page would fit better into the group's >>wiki than the general one. It has the little drawback (or advantage?), >>that only group members can edit the page. >> >Well, we'd still need some system to enable people to register / ask >to be allocated a slot, so if we're not using the Survey system like >last year, what should we use instead of the wiki? I suggest Google Docs' survey functionality that feeds directly into a spreadsheet. A -- Alexandra Leisse Web Usability Specialist mobile: +47 99 27 10 36 skype: alexandraleisse http://qt-project.org From alexandra.leisse at nokia.com Thu Mar 15 15:05:07 2012 From: alexandra.leisse at nokia.com (alexandra.leisse at nokia.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:05:07 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F60FFC3.2060004@nokia.com> Message-ID: On 14.3.2012 9:29 PM, "Quim Gil" wrote: >On 03/14/2012 12:31 PM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Quim Gil wrote: >>> - How can people manifest their travel sponsorship needs? >>> Sivan or whoever is interested: please create a wiki page under >>> http://qt-project.org/wiki (yes, that one integrated with DevNet >>> profiles etc). >>> >> >> http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees >> >> Table is up here, but we probably should wait announcing it until we >> have the registration (which is indeed an invite request?) infra to >> use? > >Can we use http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Contributors_Summit/Attendees >instead? As said, it is better to create new content at the DevNet wiki, >next to DevNet profiles etc. I created a new group now: http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012 It is invite only and as soon as the organizers have requested to join, I will give them ownership for all their group needs. I would add people as they are confirmed for participation, there is an invitation option. After the event we can assign all group members a badge for their participation. Alex From quim.gil at nokia.com Thu Mar 15 17:48:06 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:48:06 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> On 03/15/2012 06:56 AM, ext alexandra.leisse at nokia.com wrote: > I suggest Google Docs' survey functionality that feeds directly into a > spreadsheet. OK! Let's go for this option. Sivan, how do you feel about setting this up? This would be the workflow: 1. Everybody applies for Qt CS registration at http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012 AND this Survey, containing all the fields specified plus one for requesting travel sponsorship N/Y. 2. Sivan and Quim review the applications. In case of doubt they will ask the right people. 3a. Accepted participants will be included in the DevNet group. If there are sponsorship arrangements they will be addressed via email separately (Sivan and Quim need to figure out exactly how). 3b. Declined participants will be... declined, receiving an email with a standard answers and an option to reply directly to Quim. PS: I'm considering of combining the thunder of the Qt 5 Alpha with the opening of the Qt CS registration. It is a good opportunity to get the attention from the core community and surroundings. In any case it would be useful to set the Survey up and test it over the weekend in order to have it ready by next Monday. -- Quim From alexandra.leisse at nokia.com Thu Mar 15 17:55:34 2012 From: alexandra.leisse at nokia.com (alexandra.leisse at nokia.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:55:34 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> Message-ID: On 15.3.2012 5:48 PM, "ext Quim Gil" wrote: >On 03/15/2012 06:56 AM, ext alexandra.leisse at nokia.com wrote: >> I suggest Google Docs' survey functionality that feeds directly into a >> spreadsheet. > >OK! Let's go for this option. > >Sivan, how do you feel about setting this up? This would be the workflow: > >1. Everybody applies for Qt CS registration at >http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012 AND this >Survey, containing all the fields specified plus one for requesting >travel sponsorship N/Y. If you have the email addresses you can add people to the group in bulk. Much easier and much less manual clicking. :) And make sure to ask about visa needs, they're a mess! >2. Sivan and Quim review the applications. In case of doubt they will >ask the right people. > >3a. Accepted participants will be included in the DevNet group. If there >are sponsorship arrangements they will be addressed via email separately >(Sivan and Quim need to figure out exactly how). > >3b. Declined participants will be... declined, receiving an email with a >standard answers and an option to reply directly to Quim. > >PS: I'm considering of combining the thunder of the Qt 5 Alpha with the >opening of the Qt CS registration. It is a good opportunity to get the >attention from the core community and surroundings. In any case it would >be useful to set the Survey up and test it over the weekend in order to >have it ready by next Monday. > >-- >Quim >_______________________________________________ >Marketing mailing list >Marketing at qt-project.org >http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > -- Alexandra Leisse Web Usability Specialist mobile: +47 99 27 10 36 skype: alexandraleisse http://qt-project.org From berlinbikerx at googlemail.com Thu Mar 15 18:20:52 2012 From: berlinbikerx at googlemail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_G=F6tz?=) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 18:20:52 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> References: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> Message-ID: <01FF6271-28E2-44A1-934E-597880D3660C@googlemail.com> Am 15.03.2012 um 17:48 schrieb Quim Gil: > 1. Everybody applies for Qt CS registration at > http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012 AND this > Survey, containing all the fields specified plus one for requesting > travel sponsorship N/Y. Is it really necessary to apply *twice*? I wouldn't wonder if that upsets a lot of folks. Cheers Volker From quim.gil at nokia.com Thu Mar 15 18:30:25 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:30:25 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <01FF6271-28E2-44A1-934E-597880D3660C@googlemail.com> References: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> <01FF6271-28E2-44A1-934E-597880D3660C@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4F622731.7030901@nokia.com> On 03/15/2012 10:20 AM, ext Volker Götz wrote: > > Am 15.03.2012 um 17:48 schrieb Quim Gil: > >> 1. Everybody applies for Qt CS registration at >> http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012 AND this >> Survey, containing all the fields specified plus one for requesting >> travel sponsorship N/Y. > > Is it really necessary to apply *twice*? I wouldn't wonder if that upsets a lot of folks. No, thanks to Alexandra's tip people will only need to deal with the Survey registration. Once they are accepted they will get an email like the one I just got: Hi qgil! We are happy to let you know that you are now a proud member of qt-contributors-summit-2012 on the Qt Developer Network. Quick, say hello to the others! Have fun! The Qt DevNet team Sent from Qt Developer Network From adam.weinrich at nokia.com Thu Mar 15 18:37:12 2012 From: adam.weinrich at nokia.com (adam.weinrich at nokia.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:37:12 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Bidding for patches In-Reply-To: <6e7fe70339f5efb6d4670b52949fb4b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry to toppost. To Peters concern about "Nokia", This idea of enabling patch bidding(or 'bounties' as Quim calls it) might fall under the Qt Project umbrella, which is distinct and separate non-profit organization and Nokia could not be responsible for any activities between participants. I believe facilitation or integration of bounties at some level by the Qt Project infrastructure could actually be of real value to the community. I accept some of Quim's points and agree that dealing with actual accounts/payments must not be part of the Qt Project so lets push that to a 3rd party. I also understand that theres no way to guarantee a merge – but I say I would say it would encourage better quality in JIRA if payers expected clarity about what they plan to pay for. The fact is that the farther away from the code you go, the less streamlined and more cost is added to a development effort. I know the proposition of integrating finances directly into open source development is heresy but Im throwing it out here because I envision, if done subtly, it could provide a catalyst for fixes and features and offer interesting metrics back to the community(hey what value are votes?). It could foster satisfaction in the Qt user community within the Qt Project context instead of forcing organizations to translate needs into RFQ's, manager speak, sales meetings, and other such cost generating overhead. It would definitely reduce the barrier to entry for small efforts that might never get done through a partner and thus encourage the Qt freelancer community to be more dynamic and visible. Frankly, its more efficient and keeps control closer to the developer level. In this sense it could add a lot more than simply paying money for large scale development in the way that formal engagement with partners currently works. I'll touch base with Peter directly on his ideas to get started but if anyone else is interested please share your thoughts! Best Regards, Adam From: ext Peter Winston > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:24:04 -0500 To: > Cc: Adam Weinrich > Subject: RE: [Marketing] Bidding for patches Hello Adam, This is a really interesting problem, it's great to hear you bring this up. Getting this right would both turbo charge open governance, and developer adoption. and I’m ready to start! However, I understand Quim’s point that the commercial support aspects (regardless of the mechanism) should be kept separate from qt-project. Anything that Nokia does, runs the risk of being seen being an “endorsement”. This is a great goal, but how far does Nokia want to facilitating it. If you sitting between the customers, and the vendors, by pooling payment, or validating a design, they your effectively putting Nokia on the hook for its success. Still, I love the basic idea of building a market place that connects customers with pain with vendors who can help them. I would be happy to brainstorm the issues with you. Cheers, -peter ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Quim Gil > Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Marketing] Bidding for patches To: On 03/07/2012 01:13 PM, wrote: > I've discovered that corporate Qt users sometimes have a need for their > bugs or features they care about to be escalated and they are willing to > pay for it. At the DD11 SFO Contributors Summit we had a discussion > during the Qt Project Corporate Outreach session where we brainstormed > about a bidding system to address the need for such one-off development > work. > > A partner services engagement is one-to-one relationship with a high cost > of entry. We could provide an alternative which opened up bidding on JIRA > tasks to all, partners as well as freelance programmers. Maybe even > multiple parties interested in a task could commit to pay what its worth > to them and once the pooled amount is worth their effort a contractor > agrees to do the work. > > I wonderŠ > 1) How we could integrate this into the community workflow Does it need to be integrated? Why not keeping the Qt Project infrastructure and workflow focusing on the development, leaving the business motivations and organization aside? > 2) How to assure trust and payment Using a 3rd party service. I don't see the Qt Project infrastructure and the thin legal & accounting overhead having to take that responsibility. http://www.freelancer.com/ could be an option. Are there others? I'm not an expert on this. > 3) How to deal with patches that are not approved to be merged. The Qt Project context offers a lot of flexibility on this, making easier to merge good patches (while keeping away the rest, no matter how much money someone is willing to pay for its merge). No bounty should come with a promise that the patch would be merged. The reasons for patches to be merged or not are based in many factors and this is what someone willing to see a patch upstream should look at. Let's look at the possible scenarios considering that there are fundamentally two types of patches: bugfixes and new functionality. Bugfixes are relatively simple to merge. You need: - A patch with proof of the bugfix. Without this you wouldn't get your bounty anyway. - Needs to follow the contribution guidelines of the Qt Project and the specific module (if any). This can be required in the bounty offer. - Needs to be reviewed and approved. This can be tricky if maintainers are busy with other priorities or the module is basically unmaintained. A sub-bounty for a reviewers / approvers to have a look? Nobody should be able to buy an approval, though. If the patch is buggy or doesn't follow the guidelines it will be rejected anyway. - If we are talking about new functionality it needs to be discussed within the project in the first place. Is that functionality fitting in the module roadmap? Is someone else working on this already? What is the approach proposed for the implementation? - Note also that new features imply a new IPR risk that needs to be assessed. Maybe a brilliant patch solves a problem for a specific customer but puts in potential legal trouble the Qt Project and the unaware users of that code. > 4) How to get started Find the 3rd party service. Find a customer with money and bugs. Let's try a pilot? > Is this something the community is up for or YOU want to get involved with? I see it as a nice "add-on" that the community can work around, more than as something the Qt Project itself should take responsibility of. At the end this is about paying money for development, which is no different that what Nokia, Digia, ICS and others are doing already - keeping their accounts and agreement out of qt-project.org. -- Quim _______________________________________________ Marketing mailing list Marketing at qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.molkentin at nokia.com Fri Mar 16 14:44:22 2012 From: daniel.molkentin at nokia.com (daniel.molkentin at nokia.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:44:22 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Report: Visit to Kalkscheune Message-ID: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C10124D353@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> Hi, Pictures are here: http://chaos.troll.no/~dmolkent/kalkscheune/, room plan is here: http://kalkscheune.de/pdf/Kalkscheune_Grundrisse.pdf (German only, sorry). Notes mostly from Claudia and Michael, additional notes & action points added by me: · Registration: Participants enter via "Hofdurchfahrt" (which will be closed to the courtyard side, see Room plan), and enter the "Lounge" via the stair case o Advantage: One single way to enter/leave the venue, an artificial 'bottleneck' to make sure everyone registers o The bar will be shut off by an artificial wall. o Like last year, each participant gets "Trainer cards" with the room plan on his lanyard and a name tag. o Action Items: § Setting up desks § Print cards & Name tags § Do we want big banner on the outside? If so, they need to be created & printed (we have contacts to a qualified printing company near the venue). § We need two long desks · Next room: "Saal", 301 sqm: o Fits 300-500 people o Lounge & Bar o Ideal party location (social event), can be equipped with a stage o Access to courtyard o Lights & projectors available o Place to serve lunch o Can be equipped with suites (chairs/low tables) for breakout sessions o Toilets across the courtyard. § Todo items · Invite trollband/DJ (did we have a DJ last time, do we have a skilled DJ in the community?) · Organize drinks for the night (do contributors have to pay? Do we have a sponsor for the social event)? · Will there be a buffet? · Next room (moving up to first floor): Galerie: 369 sqm, for keynotes and panel o Fits 250 Chairs easily, more possible o Toilets on both ends o Best wifi coverage (6 APs) o Again, lots of possibilities to host breakout sessions on the sides by putting up a few round tables and allow participants to grab chairs from the middle (see photos). o · 3 small and one big seminar rooms (Michael noted 3 small, but I am pretty sure we booked all 4, right, Quim?) o For "regular" sessions o All located in the first floor o Lots of power outlets available on the wall o Big seminar room has a stage o All seminar rooms accessible via stair cases from the courtyard · Finally, the courtyard (250 sqm) o Can be equipped with beer tend benches and tables o For break out or just taking a break/having a chat o The fabric installation protects from excess sun and light to medium rain. · Wifi, Ethernet and Power Infrastructure o They have distributed enough Access Points throughout the premises, if we add switches at the right spots and add a local mirror, we should be good o Technician can be on site at all times. o Power sockets should be put in specific spots (e.g. the breakout places, and the meeting rooms), but not everywhere). § KDE e.V. offers to reuse power distributors from Desktop Summit; Kalkscheune concerned over missing electrical certification (fire prevention, we are in Germany...) § We could probably also easily lend switches from associated associations in Berlin (KDE e.V., CCC) if needed o Action items: § Person with budget to discuss with Kalkscheune. § Ask for the costs of / decide on an DSL bandwidth increase from 15 to 50 Mbit/s for the duration of the event (no problem according to Kalkscheune) · Accessiblity o Should we have people that require a wheel chair, we need to discuss that with Kalkscheune. Generally, there is an elevator, but it's only certified for goods transportation (again, we're in Germany). o Todo: § Organizers to check if any of the participants requires a wheelchair · Assorted todos: o Kalkscheune understands our package includes drinks and lunch breaks, clarify on the amount and make sure everything is covered. § Do we need extra sponsorship for that? Last year Intel sponsored the drinks. o Recruit volunteers, ideally non-participants (so they don't "miss a discussion") o Decide where to actually host the break outs. We identified a lot of spaces, and we'll need them more than last year since we only have 4 regular seminar rooms this year! o Optional: Check on reserving/recommend hotel rooms (I think we had that in a different thread, don't remember the outcome). That's about it. Thanks a lot to Claudia and Michael for taking the time and asking the right questions. You're both a big help! Imho, the next step is to talk money and numbers to get a feeling what we can do and what we can't, which I don't feel confident about since I don't have any budget, nor know about the numbers of potential sponsors. Do we want to establish sponsorship packages? Cheers, Daniel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quim.gil at nokia.com Fri Mar 16 16:59:02 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:59:02 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] [aKademy] Fwd: Present and Future of Qt Project & Qt 5 In-Reply-To: <4F635E77.6030800@nokia.com> References: <4F635E77.6030800@nokia.com> Message-ID: <4F636346.10905@nokia.com> FYI - let's discuss after the alpha release. With all the busy-ness these days we had basically missed to file a proposal for the aKademy call for papers. I have just sent a placeholder proposal to the program committee to let them know (officially) the willingness of the Qt Project in having a session. We need to find the speakers. Lars can't make it to aKademy. Thiago? Marius? Others? fwiw I will be there too. I personally liked those sessions did by the Lars-Thiago-Marius troika. With a bit of spice they could actually make a nice keynote. -- Quim > Name of the speaker(s) and a short bio paragraph This is a placeholder. It will be a Qt Project lead e.g. Thiago Macieira + Marius Storm-Olsen. Sadly Lars Knoll can't make it. Please let us a hew more days to decide. > Title of the talk Present and Future of Qt Project & Qt 5 Title may vary, but this is the idea. > One-paragraph description (~60 words) The Qt Project and its open governance approaches its first annual cycle. Qt 5 is (planned to be) out and fresh. For the first time other stakeholders out of Trolltech/Nokia have been able to contribute directly and get involved in project roles. In fact KDE is explicitely one of the main players now. Time for reviewing the experience with the KDE community and take notes for the future steps. > Abstract (~250 words) Later, sorry. > Length (5, 30 or 45 minutes) 30 or 45, as you see it fit. We believe the content and interest makes it a good keynote. > Picture of the speaker(s) Later, sorry. > Any special requirements (e.g., special video connectors, audio support, cameras) Later but we will tell you well in advance. It might depend on the willingness of having live demos from e.g. a Raspberry Pi. -- Quim From quim.gil at nokia.com Fri Mar 16 18:41:08 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:41:08 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Report: Visit to Kalkscheune In-Reply-To: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C10124D353@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <8A6037CECB152744874B702F867A83C10124D353@008-AM1MPN1-041.mgdnok.nokia.com> Message-ID: <4F637B34.6060006@nokia.com> Great! Thank you for this. On 03/16/2012 06:44 AM, ext daniel.molkentin at nokia.com wrote: > Notes mostly from Claudia and Michael, additional notes & action points > added by me: Claudia Rauch and Michael Hasselmann went with you? Wow, how sad I missed this great nuclear gathering. :) > oAction Items: These need to go to the wiki. Can you help? > §Do we want big banner on the outside? If so, they need to be created & > printed (we have contacts to a qualified printing company near the venue). I'd say yes. Maybe Alex or Carol have something we can recycle? Either the banner itself or a digital file not to start from scratch. I'll ask. > ·Invite trollband/DJ (did we have a DJ last time, do we have a skilled > DJ in the community?) Yes, let's do this. Who wants to be in charge of this night event? > ·Organize drinks for the night (do contributors have to pay? Do we have > a sponsor for the social event)? We don't have sponsors at this point and we haven't even decided whether there will be sponsorship for specific packages (e.g. night event). In any case, I count on having budget for a decent night event. Someone must put things down in numbers, though. > ·Will there be a buffet? Lunch buffet for sure. If you mean a dinner buffet for the night event then see above - we need the numbers of that evening. > ·3 small and one big seminar rooms (Michael noted 3 small, but I am > pretty sure we booked all 4, right, Quim?) Yes. > §Person with budget to discuss with Kalkscheune. That's me. > §Ask for the costs of / decide on an DSL bandwidth increase from 15 to > 50 Mbit/s for the duration of the event (no problem according to > Kalkscheune) Sounds reasonable. > ·Accessiblity > > oShould we have people that require a wheel chair, we need to discuss > that with Kalkscheune. Generally, there is an elevator, but it’s only > certified for goods transportation (again, we’re in Germany). > > oTodo: > > §Organizers to check if any of the participants requires a wheelchair That is a good point. How should we go about this? a "Special needs" field in the registration form? > ·Assorted todos: > > oKalkscheune understands our package includes drinks and lunch breaks, > clarify on the amount and make sure everything is covered. > > §Do we need extra sponsorship for that? Last year Intel sponsored the > drinks. Again, as of now I'm counting on a budget covered 100% by sponsorshiop, where Nokia is also a sponsor. The Qt Project organizes this event but the Qt Project itself has no budget. Said that, decent meals including drinks and coffee in breaks is contemplated in the budget. > oRecruit volunteers, ideally non-participants (so they don’t “miss a > discussion”) There are two types of volunteers in this event: - The ones that MUST be in a session: making sure everything works, water for the speaker, taking notes... We should aim to have one per session and it is good that their are interested in the topic of the session. - The ones that MUST NOT be tied to sessions at a specific time, for generic & coordination stuff. They can take shifts. One would be me. I'll find at least another one (must find out whether Marja can help - she's great!). > oOptional: Check on reserving/recommend hotel rooms (I think we had that > in a different thread, don’t remember the outcome). The outcome is that people need to take care of themselves + some tips at http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit#Accommodation > Imho, the next step is to talk money and numbers to get a feeling what > we can do and what we can’t, which I don’t feel confident about since I > don’t have any budget, nor know about the numbers of potential sponsors. > Do we want to establish sponsorship packages? In a perfect world I wouldn't be so busy with Alpha + QtonPi + MWC in the past weeks. I'm hoping to draft a proposal for potential sponsors today. In any case it must be out by next Tuesday. -- Quim From thiago.macieira at intel.com Fri Mar 16 23:11:40 2012 From: thiago.macieira at intel.com (Thiago Macieira) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:11:40 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] [aKademy] Fwd: Present and Future of Qt Project & Qt 5 In-Reply-To: <4F636346.10905@nokia.com> References: <4F635E77.6030800@nokia.com> <4F636346.10905@nokia.com> Message-ID: <1591556.GpKKbuxIER@tjmaciei-mobl2> On sexta-feira, 16 de março de 2012 08.59.02, Quim Gil wrote: > FYI - let's discuss after the alpha release. > > With all the busy-ness these days we had basically missed to file a > proposal for the aKademy call for papers. I have just sent a placeholder > proposal to the program committee to let them know (officially) the > willingness of the Qt Project in having a session. > > We need to find the speakers. Lars can't make it to aKademy. Thiago? > Marius? Others? fwiw I will be there too. > > I personally liked those sessions did by the Lars-Thiago-Marius troika. > With a bit of spice they could actually make a nice keynote. I submitted yesterday a talk called "Qt Update", whose purpose is to talk about what will have happened in the 9 months since the launch and about the Qt 5.0 release, which hopefully will have happened too. I also added a bit about how KDE has/will have helped and what's shaping up for 5.1 and KDE Frameworks 5. I knew that Lars couldn't make it, so I sent it on my own. But if Marius can come to Tallinn, it would be great to have a co-presentation. There's a lot of material that is best spoken by a Nokia person, just as there is some material that is best presented by someone who is not. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center Intel Sweden AB - Registration Number: 556189-6027 Knarrarnäsgatan 15, 164 40 Kista, Stockholm, Sweden -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From dio.rahman at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 00:00:23 2012 From: dio.rahman at gmail.com (Dhi Aurrahman) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 06:00:23 +0700 Subject: [Marketing] Bidding for patches In-Reply-To: References: <6e7fe70339f5efb6d4670b52949fb4b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice idea for freelancers! Willing to help, but don't know how to bridge this to qt-project. Cheers, Dhi Aurrahman 2012/3/16 : > Sorry to toppost. > > To Peters concern about "Nokia",  This idea of enabling patch bidding(or > 'bounties' as Quim calls it) might fall under the Qt Project umbrella, which > is distinct and separate non-profit organization and Nokia could not be > responsible for any activities between participants.   I believe > facilitation or integration of bounties at some level by the Qt Project > infrastructure could actually be of real value to the community.   I accept > some of Quim's points and agree that dealing with actual accounts/payments > must not be part of the Qt Project so lets push that to a 3rd party.  I also > understand that theres no way to guarantee a merge – but I say I would say > it would encourage better quality in JIRA if payers expected clarity about > what they plan to pay for.  The fact is that the farther away from the code > you go, the less streamlined and more cost is added to a development > effort. > > I know the proposition of integrating finances directly into open source > development is heresy but Im throwing it out here because I envision, if > done subtly, it could provide a catalyst for fixes and features and offer > interesting metrics back to the community(hey what value are votes?).  It > could foster satisfaction in the Qt user community within the Qt Project > context instead of forcing organizations to translate needs into  RFQ's, > manager speak, sales meetings,  and other such cost generating overhead.  It > would definitely reduce the barrier to entry for small efforts that might > never get done through a partner and thus encourage the Qt freelancer > community to be more dynamic and visible.  Frankly, its more efficient and > keeps control closer to the developer level.  In this sense it could add a > lot more than simply paying money for large scale development in the way > that formal engagement with partners currently works. > > I'll touch base with Peter directly on his ideas to get started but if > anyone else is interested please share your thoughts! > > Best Regards, > Adam > > > From: ext Peter Winston > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:24:04 -0500 > To: > Cc: Adam Weinrich > Subject: RE: [Marketing] Bidding for patches > > Hello Adam, > > This is a really interesting problem, it's great to hear you bring this up. > Getting this right would both turbo charge open governance,  and  developer > adoption. > and I’m ready to  start! > > However, I understand Quim’s point   that the commercial support aspects > (regardless of the mechanism) should be kept separate from qt-project. >  Anything that Nokia does, runs the risk of being seen being an > “endorsement”.  This is a great goal, but  how far  does Nokia want to > facilitating it. If you sitting between the customers, and the vendors,  by > pooling payment, or validating a design,  they your effectively putting > Nokia on the hook for its  success. > > Still,  I love the basic idea of building a market place that connects > customers with pain with vendors who can help them. > > I would be happy to brainstorm the issues with you. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -peter > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Quim Gil > Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Marketing] Bidding for patches > To: > > On 03/07/2012 01:13 PM, wrote: >> I've discovered that corporate Qt users sometimes have a need for their >> bugs or features they care about to be escalated and they are willing to >> pay for it.  At the DD11 SFO Contributors Summit we had a discussion >> during the Qt Project Corporate Outreach session where we brainstormed >> about a bidding system to address the need for such one-off development >> work. >> >> A partner services engagement is one-to-one relationship with a high cost >> of entry.  We could provide an alternative which opened up bidding on JIRA >> tasks to all, partners as well as freelance programmers. Maybe even >> multiple parties interested in a task could commit to pay what its worth >> to them and once the pooled amount is worth their effort a contractor >> agrees to do the work. >> >> I wonderŠ >> 1) How we could integrate this into the community workflow > > Does it need to be integrated? Why not keeping the Qt Project > infrastructure and workflow focusing on the development, leaving the > business motivations and organization aside? > > >> 2) How to assure trust and payment > > Using a 3rd party service. I don't see the Qt Project infrastructure > and the thin legal & accounting overhead having to take that responsibility. > > http://www.freelancer.com/ could be an option. Are there others? I'm not > an expert on this. > > > >> 3) How to deal with patches that are not approved to be merged. > > The Qt Project context offers a lot of flexibility on this, making > easier to merge good patches (while keeping away the rest, no matter how > much money someone is willing to pay for its merge). > > No bounty should come with a promise that the patch would be merged. The > reasons for patches to be merged or not are based in many factors and > this is what someone willing to see a patch upstream should look at. > > Let's look at the possible scenarios considering that there are > fundamentally two types of patches: bugfixes and new functionality. > Bugfixes are relatively simple to merge. You need: > > - A patch with proof of the bugfix. Without this you wouldn't get your > bounty anyway. > > - Needs to follow the contribution guidelines of the Qt Project and the > specific module (if any). This can be required in the bounty offer. > > - Needs to be reviewed and approved. This can be tricky if maintainers > are busy with other priorities or the module is basically unmaintained. > A sub-bounty for a reviewers / approvers to have a look? Nobody should > be able to buy an approval, though. If the patch is buggy or doesn't > follow the guidelines it will be rejected anyway. > > - If we are talking about new functionality it needs to be discussed > within the project in the first place. Is that functionality fitting in > the module roadmap? Is someone else working on this already? What is the > approach proposed for the implementation? > > - Note also that new features imply a new IPR risk that needs to be > assessed. Maybe a brilliant patch solves a problem for a specific > customer but puts in potential legal trouble the Qt Project and the > unaware users of that code. > > >> 4) How to get started > > Find the 3rd party service. Find a customer with money and bugs. Let's > try a pilot? > > > >> Is this something the community is up for or YOU want to get involved >> with? > > I see it as a nice "add-on" that the community can work around, more > than as something the Qt Project itself should take responsibility of. > At the end this is about paying money for development, which is no > different that what Nokia, Digia, ICS and others are doing already - > keeping their accounts and agreement out of qt-project.org. > > -- > Quim > > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > From quim.gil at nokia.com Sat Mar 17 00:32:05 2012 From: quim.gil at nokia.com (Quim Gil) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:32:05 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration will open with Qt 5 Alpha release Message-ID: <4F63CD75.2010502@nokia.com> Ok, so we will open the registration of the Qt 5 Contributors Summit at the same time than Qt 5 is released (planned for next Tuesday). Sivan, if you can't work on the Survey I will, just let me know. The Qt 5 release notes draft already mentions it: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-Alpha I have started with http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/wiki but I have to run now. I will continue during the weekend and on Monday it will be clean. Sivan, Daniel, Michael and Claudia - if you want to edit http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit please request to join the QTCS 2012 group instead, and you can work on the new and final URL. Thanks! PS: and no, I couldn't do that sponsorship draft today. Time went for very short term Qt 5 Alpha work. -- Quim From dangelog at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 08:29:32 2012 From: dangelog at gmail.com (Giuseppe D'Angelo) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:29:32 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS IRC channel Message-ID: In case it's needed (for coordination, etc.), last year I registered the #qt-contributors-summit channel on Freenode. Ping Alexandra or me in case you need @op access. Cheers, -- Giuseppe D'Angelo From sivan at omniqueue.com Sat Mar 17 20:09:37 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:09:37 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> References: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > OK! Let's go for this option. > > Sivan, how do you feel about setting this up? This would be the workflow: > Will do, If I run into issues - will let you know. Sorry for just now responding I've been having weird connectivity issues to gmail... > 1. Everybody applies for Qt CS registration at > http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012 AND this > Survey, containing all the fields specified plus one for requesting > travel sponsorship N/Y. > Sounds good. Should we ask them for an estimate of their travel costs as well in survey? Let's try to get as much information as we can via the application process. > 2. Sivan and Quim review the applications. In case of doubt they will > ask the right people. > > 3a. Accepted participants will be included in the DevNet group. If there > are sponsorship arrangements they will be addressed via email separately > (Sivan and Quim need to figure out exactly how). > I'd add to the survey questions, regarding sponsorship; origin of travel and estimate of costs. Given we are not expecting too many sponsored people, handling it via private email should not be too hard right? > 3b. Declined participants will be... declined, receiving an email with a > standard answers and an option to reply directly to Quim. > > PS: I'm considering of combining the thunder of the Qt 5 Alpha with the > opening of the Qt CS registration. It is a good opportunity to get the > attention from the core community and surroundings. In any case it would > be useful to set the Survey up and test it over the weekend in order to > have it ready by next Monday. > Good idea, agreed. -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Sat Mar 17 20:35:30 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:35:30 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] [aKademy] Fwd: Present and Future of Qt Project & Qt 5 In-Reply-To: <4F636346.10905@nokia.com> References: <4F635E77.6030800@nokia.com> <4F636346.10905@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > With all the busy-ness these days we had basically missed to file a > proposal for the aKademy call for papers. I have just sent a placeholder > proposal to the program committee to let them know (officially) the > willingness of the Qt Project in having a session. > Actually, I've already submitted a proposal about extreme usability using QML as part of Qt-Project. So not a keynote or a speaker of that canon ;) but I hope for it to get accepted so will be a nice promotional tutorial of how far looking professional you can get with pure QtQuick, re-using available components. -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Sat Mar 17 20:53:08 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:53:08 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: <4F622731.7030901@nokia.com> References: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> <01FF6271-28E2-44A1-934E-597880D3660C@googlemail.com> <4F622731.7030901@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > No, thanks to Alexandra's tip people will only need to deal with the > Survey registration. Once they are accepted they will get an email like > the one I just got: So, just to clarify this - this means that we will add their emails in bulk to get invited to the group, once they've filled the survey *and* we've approved them, right? I just don't see any other way they can apply only once, unless we can hook up the survey to DevNet - perhaps something to consider for next year? ;) -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Sun Mar 18 00:03:12 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 01:03:12 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:55 PM, wrote: > And make sure to ask about visa needs, they're a mess! > How do you mean a mess? Should I include an extra open field to fill for visa needs ? ;) I've requested the following details for those who require visa assistance: - Passport number - Full name as printed on passport - Citizenship - Birthdate - Place of birth Do we need any other info for that? Your knowledge about that highly appreciated! Cheers, -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Sun Mar 18 00:32:21 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 01:32:21 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> Message-ID: Okay, the form is up - I figured even though there's no way to block it I'll just clear the entered data before we run it live , your feedback required - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDB6WkgzQW0yVmI0VXktaGt4bENDN2c6MQ#gid=0 Thanks! -Sivan On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:55 PM,   wrote: >> And make sure to ask about visa needs, they're a mess! >> > > How do you mean a mess? Should I include an extra open field to fill > for visa needs ? ;) I've requested the following details for those who > require visa assistance: > > - Passport number > - Full name as printed on passport > - Citizenship > - Birthdate > - Place of birth > > > Do we need any other info for that? Your knowledge about that highly > appreciated! > > Cheers, > > -Sivan -- -Sivan From dangelog at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 01:49:10 2012 From: dangelog at gmail.com (Giuseppe D'Angelo) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:49:10 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] QtCS registration In-Reply-To: References: <4F621D46.9050400@nokia.com> Message-ID: On 17 March 2012 23:32, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Okay, the form is up - I figured even though there's no way to block There is (open the associated spreadsheet and unmark "Accepting responses" from the Form menu), but that won't make the form "read only" --- it'll disable the whole thing and replace it with a different page. > it I'll just clear the entered data before we run it live , your > feedback required - That has also some drawbacks, like the line numbers get screwed up. It's better to test it and then "copy" the structure on a brand new "survey", or simply discard the test entries. > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDB6WkgzQW0yVmI0VXktaGt4bENDN2c6MQ#gid=0 Great job! I'd just make some minor change: - if a field is supposed to take exactly one string (membership, profile, organization), make it like a and not like a