From Katherine.Barrios at digia.com Mon Oct 15 13:20:12 2012 From: Katherine.Barrios at digia.com (Barrios Katherine) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:20:12 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt Message-ID: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Hi all, I thought I would write a short note to let everyone know that, we at Digia, haven't forgotten about the community and definitely want to work together with you to help promote Qt. We have started a project to look for community moderators for our social media channels. Since we have an incredibly small marketing team compared to what Nokia had and no web community people, this will take some time, and we therefore, need your help. That said, as we are evaluating all the channels, unfinished projects, projects in the works and more from what we inherited from Nokia, we can't move as fast as we would want. Please note that we don't want to in any way make the Qt channels and promotions, Digia only. This is a misconception and has never been the intent. Let's continue the conversation on how to promote Qt together via this Qt Project marketing mailing list. Thanks and regards, Katherine Digia, Qt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Katherine.Barrios at digia.com Mon Oct 15 13:21:14 2012 From: Katherine.Barrios at digia.com (Barrios Katherine) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:21:14 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the community for Qt Message-ID: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7676@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Hi all, I thought I would write a short note to let everyone know that, we at Digia, haven't forgotten about the community and definitely want to work together with you to help promote Qt. We have started a project to look for community moderators for our social media channels. Since we have an incredibly small marketing team compared to what Nokia had and no web community people, this will take some time, and we therefore, need your help. That said, as we are evaluating all the channels, unfinished projects, projects in the works and more from what we inherited from Nokia, we can't move as fast as we would want. Please note that we don't want to in any way make the Qt channels and promotions, Digia only. This is a misconception and has never been the intent. Let's continue the conversation on how to promote Qt together via this Qt Project marketing mailing list. Thanks and regards, Katherine Digia, Qt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dio.rahman at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 14:00:03 2012 From: dio.rahman at gmail.com (Dhi Aurrahman) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:00:03 +0700 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the community for Qt In-Reply-To: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7676@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7676@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Message-ID: I will help for SEA (South East Asia) :-) -- I have started small "offline" community in here, in Indonesia; we learn to develop apps using Qt especially on RaspPi (well previously we're very active for developing apps on Symbian and MeeGo). We've also good response from academic sector, especially from universities. Will draw some sketches. Bottom line, I'd love to help in any ways. Thanks Go Qt! Cheers, @diorahman On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Barrios Katherine < Katherine.Barrios at digia.com> wrote: > Hi all, **** > > ** ** > > I thought I would write a short note to let everyone know that, we at > Digia, haven’t forgotten about the community and definitely want to work > together with you to help promote Qt. **** > > ** ** > > We have started a project to look for community moderators for our social > media channels. Since we have an incredibly small marketing team compared > to what Nokia had and no web community people, this will take some time, > and we therefore, need your help.**** > > ** ** > > That said, as we are evaluating all the channels, unfinished projects, > projects in the works and more from what we inherited from Nokia, we can’t > move as fast as we would want.**** > > ** ** > > Please note that we don’t want to in any way make the Qt channels and > promotions, Digia only. This is a misconception and has never been the > intent. **** > > ** ** > > Let’s continue the conversation on how to promote Qt together via this Qt > Project marketing mailing list.**** > > ** ** > > Thanks and regards, **** > > Katherine**** > > ** ** > > Digia, Qt**** > > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sivan at omniqueue.com Mon Oct 15 14:07:37 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:07:37 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Message-ID: Hi Katherine, Can I then ask what about the important portion of independent hard working strong devoted individual community people in Qt events? For example, I had submitted 4 talk proposals (that I received feedback were very relevant) to the Berlin Qt Dev days but got rejected due to the fact I require travel sponsorship to attend. Needless to say this was disheartening and personally for me, and caused me to fear that Nokia withdrawal from the project flags somewhat drastic change in support of individual community contributors. Otherwise what's your take on that? Cheers, -Sivan On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Barrios Katherine wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I thought I would write a short note to let everyone know that, we at Digia, > haven’t forgotten about the community and definitely want to work together > with you to help promote Qt. > > > > We have started a project to look for community moderators for our social > media channels. Since we have an incredibly small marketing team compared to > what Nokia had and no web community people, this will take some time, and we > therefore, need your help. > > > > That said, as we are evaluating all the channels, unfinished projects, > projects in the works and more from what we inherited from Nokia, we can’t > move as fast as we would want. > > > > Please note that we don’t want to in any way make the Qt channels and > promotions, Digia only. This is a misconception and has never been the > intent. > > > > Let’s continue the conversation on how to promote Qt together via this Qt > Project marketing mailing list. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Katherine > > > > Digia, Qt > > > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > -- -Sivan From Katherine.Barrios at digia.com Mon Oct 15 15:26:09 2012 From: Katherine.Barrios at digia.com (Barrios Katherine) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:26:09 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Message-ID: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7846@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Hi Sivan, Thanks for your email. We are looking and planning the best way to work with the community and hard-working contributors. However, it must be noted that since Digia does not have the deep pockets Nokia had, we have to re-evaluate how things were done before and also look to active community companies/organizations to help us with this forward. This is also in planning. For the particular case you mention about Qt Developer Days, a few things to keep in mind here: - the planning for the Qt conference was started by ICS and KDAB months before Digia announced its participation a few weeks ago. Digia is participating as sponsor and co-host this year and not involved in the practicalities of the program set up etc. Apologies for rejection of your talks. - as the state of Qt Developer Days was uncertain for months since Nokia dropped off and the acquisition process happened so quickly, Digia is not in a position to take on community sponsorships at this very moment in time as were rebuilding absolutely everything from the bottom up. -From my understanding, ICS and KDAB were not in the position to include community sponsorship in this year's event. Please contact them directly. Digia does not want to speak on their behalf. We are working on a community program to drive how we work with individual contributors, events, sponsorships together with other active community companies and organizations. We cannot do this alone and need the help from other organizations to keep the Qt community going. Everyone is in an adjustment period and we hope to continue working with you moving forward. Again, apologies for how this has transgressed. We are doing our best to plan forward. Best, KB -----Original Message----- From: sivang at gmail.com [mailto:sivang at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sivan Greenberg Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:08 PM To: Barrios Katherine Cc: marketing at qt-project.org; Yrvin Knut; Verma Gurudutt Subject: Re: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt Hi Katherine, Can I then ask what about the important portion of independent hard working strong devoted individual community people in Qt events? For example, I had submitted 4 talk proposals (that I received feedback were very relevant) to the Berlin Qt Dev days but got rejected due to the fact I require travel sponsorship to attend. Needless to say this was disheartening and personally for me, and caused me to fear that Nokia withdrawal from the project flags somewhat drastic change in support of individual community contributors. Otherwise what's your take on that? Cheers, -Sivan On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Barrios Katherine wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I thought I would write a short note to let everyone know that, we at Digia, > haven't forgotten about the community and definitely want to work together > with you to help promote Qt. > > > > We have started a project to look for community moderators for our social > media channels. Since we have an incredibly small marketing team compared to > what Nokia had and no web community people, this will take some time, and we > therefore, need your help. > > > > That said, as we are evaluating all the channels, unfinished projects, > projects in the works and more from what we inherited from Nokia, we can't > move as fast as we would want. > > > > Please note that we don't want to in any way make the Qt channels and > promotions, Digia only. This is a misconception and has never been the > intent. > > > > Let's continue the conversation on how to promote Qt together via this Qt > Project marketing mailing list. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Katherine > > > > Digia, Qt > > > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > -- -Sivan From thiago.macieira at intel.com Mon Oct 15 16:51:58 2012 From: thiago.macieira at intel.com (Thiago Macieira) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:51:58 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Message-ID: <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2> On segunda-feira, 15 de outubro de 2012 14.07.37, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > Hi Katherine, > > Can I then ask what about the important portion of independent hard > working strong devoted individual community people in Qt events? For > example, I had submitted 4 talk proposals (that I received feedback > were very relevant) to the Berlin Qt Dev days but got rejected due to > the fact I require travel sponsorship to attend. > > Needless to say this was disheartening and personally for me, and > caused me to fear that Nokia withdrawal from the project flags > somewhat drastic change in support of individual community > contributors. Hi Sivan It was quite the contrary. The conference this year was organised by KDAB and ICS, with a program team consisting of people from those two companies, Digia, RIM and also myself. The only thing we were missing was someone with no company affiliation. Still, I think the program team did a great job. I really appreciate your contributions to the project and I wish you could come to all events. But as it is, the program team felt that there were other presentations we would prefer over yours, either because they were more specific about a certain subject or because the presenter would be a smaller burden on the conference budget. I'm not privy to the financial details of either conference, so I don't know how well they're doing in that area. From other conferences in the past, I do know that the travel budget is severely constrained, though. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From sivan at omniqueue.com Mon Oct 15 17:05:58 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:05:58 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote: > It was quite the contrary. The conference this year was organised by KDAB and > ICS, with a program team consisting of people from those two companies, Digia, > RIM and also myself. The only thing we were missing was someone with no > company affiliation. Still, I think the program team did a great job. > Good to hear. > I really appreciate your contributions to the project and I wish you could > come to all events. But as it is, the program team felt that there were other > presentations we would prefer over yours, either because they were more > specific about a certain subject or because the presenter would be a smaller > burden on the conference budget. I actually decided to talk about some of the subject matters for this reason exactly; Try to create some fresh general hype around Qt that is suitable not just for the already invested, super specialized stake holder. (-I feel Qt needs rescue it from the dangerous niche market it is falling back to, now even more highlighted with Nokia's departure...) > > I'm not privy to the financial details of either conference, so I don't know > how well they're doing in that area. From other conferences in the past, I do > know that the travel budget is severely constrained, though. > All I can say is that I wish I could fund myself to attend, as I do believe the realm of data collection connected apps is one of the most important courts we should own to reach greater ecosystem adoption (i.e. Android, iOS etc..). Hoping for better times! -Sivan From porten at froglogic.com Mon Oct 15 18:25:07 2012 From: porten at froglogic.com (Harri Porten) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:25:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Oct 2012, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > I actually decided to talk about some of the subject matters for this > reason exactly; Try to create some fresh general hype around Qt that > is suitable not just for the already invested, super specialized stake > holder. (-I feel Qt needs rescue it from the dangerous niche market it > is falling back to, now even more highlighted with Nokia's > departure...) As one of the other program committee members I'd also like to thank you for your proposals. They brought up new directions where Qt can go but there are so many of them. Everyone has their personal favourite. But as it turned out there were more proposals than slots - not even speaking of funding travel and lodging. And looking at the list of platforms and topics that make up the program I'd say that it is already very broad and well-balanced. In my opinion, Qt has a more open scope than it ever had before. Harri. From Knut.Yrvin at digia.com Mon Oct 15 23:20:57 2012 From: Knut.Yrvin at digia.com (Yrvin Knut) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:20:57 +0000 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2>, Message-ID: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> * Sivan Greenberg [sivan at omniqueue.com] wrote: > > All I can say is that I wish I could fund myself to attend, as I do > believe the realm of data collection connected apps is one of the > most important courts we should own to reach greater ecosystem > adoption (i.e. Android, iOS etc..). Sivan, I'll challenge you a little, since I've met you many times after our first meeting at the KDE code sprint before Qt Developer Days in Munich 2010, two years ago. I guess you remember the "It's a yes" fun we had? If I recollect correctly, KDE sponsored your trip as on of the "new to the KDE project" together with Denish from India. KDE has the last years softened the edge of the code sprint travel sponsorship, making it more welcoming to new or potential contributors. KDE does a lot of freshmen tutoring from Google Summer of Code to other teaching or tutoring activities. The KDE travel sponsorship are possible through different companies sponsoring KDE. In addition Nokia sponsored community members with free passes for attending Qt Developer Days. That was changed in 2011, focusing on Qt contributors tending the Qt Contribution Day at Dev.Days in 2011. I remember you vividly participating on most of those events, doing good community work for MeeGo, at Qt conferences and KDE. It always seem to me that you've been able to get the travel and participation sponsored, which is often a challenge for most community members. The competition are often stiff. It's a lot of good contributors. Believe me, my pile of rejected talks are long since I started in 2000. Travel sponsorship was not always there, even if I was certain that my talk was relevant. Many times I've paid from my own pocket when tending conferences, sprints or when organizing community events. I've been using countless hours to find ways of getting project sponsorship. Not only for me, but to whole free software projects with hundreds, or maybe +1000 contributors. Believe me with Skolelinux / Debian Edu I've been rejected many times. I've also been able to knock out +400.000 Euro from government, private businesses and foundations to sponsor the different part of the Debian Edu project for 5 years, making it possible for hundreds for people getting travel sponsorship to code sprints and conferences around the world. I've heard many times contributors complaining that they are the ones who should be sponsored, even if there are no sponsorship left for a period. And they are not helping applying for sponsorship to the pile of businesses, foundations or branches of the government which might got grants. They continue expecting others to fix that. In that context, I'm challenging you Sivan. This because you have the expectation of being sponsored once again, not really handling the rejection as an opportunity to get acceptance next time. You should choose more constructive questions as: 1. What could I improve with my talk or topic, making it more interesting? 2. How can I find ways of getting me and others sponsored next time? 3. Is there ways of contributing which makes #1 and #2 possible? Summarizing bullet 1-3 and knowing you Sivan , It's a yes! Best regards Knut Yrvin -- Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt Email: knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile: + 47 934 79 561 Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com _______________________________________________ Marketing mailing list Marketing at qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing From randall.arnold at texrat.net Mon Oct 15 23:31:15 2012 From: randall.arnold at texrat.net (Randall G. Arnold) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2>, <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Message-ID: <1527559886.78402.1350336675845.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.com> Knut, IMO the below is *outstanding* advice that can bear publishing in even more prominent places. ;) Sivan, hope you make this work! I'm rooting for you! Randy On October 15, 2012 at 5:20 PM Yrvin Knut wrote: > * Sivan Greenberg [sivan at omniqueue.com] wrote: > > > > All I can say is that I wish I could fund myself to attend, as I do > > believe the realm of data collection connected apps is one of the > > most important courts we should own to reach greater ecosystem > > adoption (i.e. Android, iOS etc..). > > Sivan, I'll challenge you a little, since I've met you many times > after our first meeting at the KDE code sprint before Qt Developer > Days in Munich 2010, two years ago. I guess you remember the "It's a > yes" fun we had? > > If I recollect correctly, KDE sponsored your trip as on of the "new to > the KDE project" together with Denish from India. KDE has the last > years softened the edge of the code sprint travel sponsorship, making > it more welcoming to new or potential contributors. KDE does a lot > of freshmen tutoring from Google Summer of Code to other > teaching or tutoring activities. > > The KDE travel sponsorship are possible through different companies > sponsoring KDE. In addition Nokia sponsored community members with > free passes for attending Qt Developer Days. That was changed in 2011, > focusing on Qt contributors tending the Qt Contribution Day at > Dev.Days in 2011. > > I remember you vividly participating on most of those events, doing > good community work for MeeGo, at Qt conferences and KDE. It always > seem to me that you've been able to get the travel and participation > sponsored, which is often a challenge for most community members. The > competition are often stiff. It's a lot of good contributors. > > Believe me, my pile of rejected talks are long since I started in > 2000. Travel sponsorship was not always there, even if I was certain > that my talk was relevant. Many times I've paid from my own pocket > when tending conferences, sprints or when organizing community > events. I've been using countless hours to find ways of getting > project sponsorship. Not only for me, but to whole free > software projects with hundreds, or maybe +1000 contributors. Believe > me with Skolelinux / Debian Edu I've been rejected many times. > > I've also been able to knock out +400.000 Euro from government, private > businesses and foundations to sponsor the different part of the Debian > Edu project for 5 years, making it possible for hundreds for people > getting travel sponsorship to code sprints and conferences around the > world. I've heard many times contributors complaining that they are > the ones who should be sponsored, even if there are no sponsorship > left for a period. And they are not helping applying for sponsorship > to the pile of businesses, foundations or branches of the government > which might got grants. They continue expecting others to fix that. > > In that context, I'm challenging you Sivan. This because you have the > expectation of being sponsored once again, not really handling the > rejection as an opportunity to get acceptance next time. You should > choose more constructive questions as: > > 1. What could I improve with my talk or topic, making it more > interesting? > 2. How can I find ways of getting me and others sponsored next time? > 3. Is there ways of contributing which makes #1 and #2 possible? > > Summarizing bullet 1-3 and knowing you Sivan , It's a yes! > > Best regards > > Knut Yrvin > -- > Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt > Email: knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile: + 47 934 79 561 > Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > Marketing at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JensWeller at gmx.de Tue Oct 16 12:46:17 2012 From: JensWeller at gmx.de (Jens Weller) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:46:17 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2>, <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Message-ID: <20121016104617.96630@gmx.net> Hello, interesting discussion, and nice to know that there is so many people wanting to do talks about Qt :) As I started my own conference this Summer, I also asked the Qt Community for talks. Despite beeing a new guy and conference, I had 0 talks submitted for Qt. All Qt related talks for my conference came from KDAB and RIM. I can understand that people like to have their talks placed at a conference, but there is also a lot of competition, as many people submit talks. Also, this years edition of QtDevDays was announced very shortly, due to that, there was no big time to plan and get funding for Community Members IMHO. kind regards, Jens Weller From thiago.macieira at intel.com Tue Oct 16 16:54:23 2012 From: thiago.macieira at intel.com (Thiago Macieira) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:54:23 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <20121016104617.96630@gmx.net> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <20121016104617.96630@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1599999.ErrMaBk5a2@tjmaciei-mobl2> On terça-feira, 16 de outubro de 2012 12.46.17, Jens Weller wrote: > As I started my own conference this Summer, I also asked the Qt Community > for talks. Despite beeing a new guy and conference, I had 0 talks submitted > for Qt. All Qt related talks for my conference came from KDAB and RIM. I read that as "more than zero" :-) -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From JensWeller at gmx.de Tue Oct 16 17:50:04 2012 From: JensWeller at gmx.de (Jens Weller) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:50:04 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <1599999.ErrMaBk5a2@tjmaciei-mobl2> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <20121016104617.96630@gmx.net> <1599999.ErrMaBk5a2@tjmaciei-mobl2> Message-ID: <20121016155004.96660@gmx.net> > > As I started my own conference this Summer, I also asked the Qt > Community > > for talks. Despite beeing a new guy and conference, I had 0 talks > submitted > > for Qt. All Qt related talks for my conference came from KDAB and RIM. > > I read that as "more than zero" :-) yes infact 3. But looking at the boost/other C++ talks its pretty much less then I expected ;) Especially as I'd like to have not only talks of my sponsors on my conf :) But it is still true, that 0 Qt talks got submitted, I always knew that KDAB wanted to give talks on Qt, and RIM on BB10 anyways. regards, Jens Weller From knut.yrvin at digia.com Tue Oct 16 18:00:59 2012 From: knut.yrvin at digia.com (Knut Yrvin) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:00:59 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <20121016104617.96630@gmx.net> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <20121016104617.96630@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3551177.jnZDbQaVnf@qt-laptop> Tirsdag 16. oktober 2012 12.46.17 skrev Jens Weller: > As I started my own conference this Summer, I also asked the Qt > Community for talks. I suspect it's the Meeting C++ in November which you're refering to?: http://meetingcpp.com/ > Despite beeing a new guy and conference, I had 0 > talks submitted for Qt. All Qt related talks for my conference came > from KDAB and RIM. I saw your invitation on the clang developer list from July 12. That was one month after Nokia internally declared they would sell Qt, where all Qt developers was in a Limbo until Digia announced they would acquire Qt August 9. The acquisition was formally done September 17 at midnight. As you might understand, there was no one in Nokia who could in July make a decition for participating on a conference in November. Such acquistion freezes all actions, and it will take some time to reconnect from a new company. That said, in July and August there was +35 well prepared Qt relevant talks and +50 BoF sessions at the annuall KDE conference Akademy in Tallinn, Estonia. We got a booth and six Qt talks and Qt traning at FISL 13. It's one of the world biggest free software conferences with 7700 participants in Porto Alegre in Brazil. > I can understand that people like to have their talks placed at a > conference, but there is also a lot of competition, as many people > submit talks. Also, this years edition of QtDevDays was announced very > shortly, due to that, there was no big time to plan and get funding for > Community Members IMHO. For the later years, plans for Qt Dev.Days was anounced in March or April, which is 5-6 months before the conference, which usually are run in Munich in October and San Francisco in November. Why has this been different this year? Well, the Qt part of Nokia was acquired by Digia in a period where we usually worked our butts off to get Qt Developer Days organized, including the other events comming in the autumn and winter. I suggest everyone who got events including Qt or doing Qt talks to update the Qt Events calendar: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:Events Best regards Knut Yrvin -- Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt Email: knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile: + 47 934 79 561 Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com From JensWeller at gmx.de Tue Oct 16 18:17:37 2012 From: JensWeller at gmx.de (Jens Weller) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:17:37 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <3551177.jnZDbQaVnf@qt-laptop> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <20121016104617.96630@gmx.net> <3551177.jnZDbQaVnf@qt-laptop> Message-ID: <20121016161737.302600@gmx.net> Betreff: Re: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt > Tirsdag 16. oktober 2012 12.46.17 skrev Jens Weller: > > > As I started my own conference this Summer, I also asked the Qt > > Community for talks. > > I suspect it's the Meeting C++ in November which you're refering to?: > http://meetingcpp.com/ Yes. But that doesn't matter for the discussion. > > Despite beeing a new guy and conference, I had 0 > > talks submitted for Qt. All Qt related talks for my conference came > > from KDAB and RIM. > > I saw your invitation on the clang developer list from July 12. That was > one month after Nokia internally declared they would sell Qt, where all Qt > developers was in a Limbo until Digia announced they would acquire Qt > August 9. The acquisition was formally done September 17 at midnight. > > As you might understand, there was no one in Nokia who could in July make > a decition for participating on a conference in November. Such acquistion > freezes all actions, and it will take some time to reconnect from a new > company. ah, that explains a lot. I posted on June 28th on qt-project, and also on other qt related sites. > That said, in July and August there was +35 well prepared Qt relevant > talks and +50 BoF sessions at the annuall KDE conference Akademy in > Tallinn, Estonia. We got a booth and six Qt talks and Qt traning at FISL > 13. It's one of the world biggest free software conferences with 7700 > participants in Porto Alegre in Brazil. I didn't say no one gives talks on Qt ;) I said that I wondered why there was that little reaction/submissions. And ofc Academy or Contributor Summit are well known events. > I suggest everyone who got events including Qt or doing Qt talks to update > the Qt Events calendar: > http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:Events Ah, thats good to know :) regards, Jens Weller From knut.yrvin at digia.com Tue Oct 16 18:46:04 2012 From: knut.yrvin at digia.com (Knut Yrvin) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:46:04 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <20121016161737.302600@gmx.net> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <3551177.jnZDbQaVnf@qt-laptop> <20121016161737.302600@gmx.net> Message-ID: <7435902.40WEiJVyGm@qt-laptop> * Jens Weller wrote: > I didn't say no one gives talks on Qt ;) Got it :) * Knut Yrvin wrote: > > http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:Events > > Ah, thats good to know :) Thanks Jens for making an interesting event! Best regards Knut Yrvin -- Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt Email: knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile: + 47 934 79 561 Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com From thiago.macieira at intel.com Tue Oct 16 19:33:09 2012 From: thiago.macieira at intel.com (Thiago Macieira) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:33:09 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Message-ID: <270083651.I2qoosNamL@tjmaciei-mobl2> On segunda-feira, 15 de outubro de 2012 11.20.12, Barrios Katherine wrote: > That said, as we are evaluating all the channels, unfinished projects, > projects in the works and more from what we inherited from Nokia, we can't > move as fast as we would want. > > Please note that we don't want to in any way make the Qt channels and > promotions, Digia only. This is a misconception and has never been the > intent. We can start by dropping the "by Digia" parts in channels like: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt (see page's title) and setting the home link to http://qt-project.org -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From sivan at omniqueue.com Tue Oct 16 20:12:06 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:12:06 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Harri Porten wrote: > As one of the other program committee members I'd also like to thank you > for your proposals. They brought up new directions where Qt can go but > there are so many of them. Everyone has their personal favourite. But as > it turned out there were more proposals than slots - not even speaking of > funding travel and lodging. > Alright, and as Dev Days have always been more around commercial stuff, it makes sense to save them for those who can cover the costs of their performance as it can bring them new customers and more revenue. > And looking at the list of platforms and topics that make up the program > I'd say that it is already very broad and well-balanced. In my opinion, Qt > has a more open scope than it ever had before. > Good to know, where would you think my talk proposals could be more appropriate? Perhaps a Qt commercial conference is not the right place? Perhaps a community event that Digia might organize specifically with less commercial orientation (a'la Contributors' Summit) ? Given Digia has much less deep pockets than Nokia this might be hard to do and I understand completely. -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Tue Oct 16 21:38:48 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:38:48 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2> <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40606129@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Yrvin Knut wrote: > that my talk was relevant. Many times I've paid from my own pocket As I said, and from knowing me you could actually infer that I would have paid for myself had I had the means :) > expectation of being sponsored once again, not really handling the > rejection as an opportunity to get acceptance next time. You should > choose more constructive questions as: I did not make any assumption about next time- and with every rejection there's the opportunity for next times,this is granted. I was just surprised a bit that Nokia's departure left such big holes, but as Digia people noted, they did have deep pockets and indeed money is paramount when dealing with international community members. I was not trying to claim anything or hold anybody to owe me anything. I was just a bit concerned, and given what happened to this community over the last 4 years, I think this can be understood. > > 1. What could I improve with my talk or topic, making it more > interesting? I sincerely do not know. I labor hours and hours on every talk proposal , making sure I have the code in place, that the subject is relevant, interesting and fresh while an attempt hit spots that I assume were not explored yet, etc.. also no program committee provides such feedback. > 2. How can I find ways of getting me and others sponsored next time? Qt would have benefited from that as well, but during aKademy 2012 I actually sought to find organization that might be interested to invest in KDE e.V in view of Nokia's departure. And, make sure next year akademy is possible. I introduced someone from KDE e.V to the good people of coss.fi to see if this can bring new such leads. I'm unsure whom to approach for Qt Days to be honest. Companies making a business out of Qt seem right, but I realized with this thread just how much limited the budget is. > 3. Is there ways of contributing which makes #1 and #2 possible? > As my line of work is light years away afar from Qt and the wonderful metals it can run on, I could also not justify it to my employer. Not to mention it is an IMP mission challenge to co-ordinate unpaid leave days for my travel with the hope your job awaits when you're back. In a sense I'm torn between what puts food on my table, and Qt, KDE and Mer that're dear to me not just due to their unique design and technical competence, but also due to the *amazing* people I've been privileged to meet and the philosophies behind. I'd love to find an employer out of the Qt ecosystem, but working 10-12 hours a day leaves little to no room to perfect and practice my C++ Qt skills. Despite having substantial backgrounds in embedded and Desktop linux OS development, this makes it hard to become attractive to ecosystem's companies for perfectly understandable reasons. > Summarizing bullet 1-3 and knowing you Sivan , It's a yes! If you're offering me a Qt job, you bet it is! ;-) All said, thanks for the consideration and the time the program committee took to read my proposals. Perhaps if my circumstances change, I might have better subject to talk about next year. I am quite surprised this created such a discussion, hopefully for the better. Cheers, -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Mon Oct 22 22:08:35 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:08:35 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2> Message-ID: Hi Harri, On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Harri Porten wrote: > > And looking at the list of platforms and topics that make up the program > I'd say that it is already very broad and well-balanced. In my opinion, Qt > has a more open scope than it ever had before. So I went over the published agenda, and just as I suspected most of the talks revolve around the already existing niche for Qt, together with the new addition of Qt on Android talk given by Bogdan, which is the only novelty IMHO. I might be failing to see the talks discussing the new directions in both market and audience for Qt, could someone please point them to me? It could also be that during the transition phase and the new Digia involvement it is still too early for the directions I've proposed, and that is more than acceptable. Thanks! -Sivan From sivan at omniqueue.com Mon Oct 22 22:15:13 2012 From: sivan at omniqueue.com (Sivan Greenberg) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:15:13 +0200 Subject: [Marketing] Digia and the comunity for Qt In-Reply-To: References: <2127279623E71243B624ABEC3C224C053E9A7652@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <2303703.sd7DoXcIri@tjmaciei-mobl2> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Sivan Greenberg wrote: > > I might be failing to see the talks discussing the new directions in > both market and audience for Qt, could someone please point them to > me? It could also be that during the transition phase and the new > Digia involvement it is still too early for the directions I've > proposed, and that is more than acceptable. > I mean to justify entering the program... not in regards to funding. Wanted to clarify as this might sound harsh..:-) I guess I want to start a discussion of where to take Qt next. I'll do so here after in a new thread. Thanks, -- -Sivan