[Qt-interest] Mac deployment to 10.4
Mike Jackson
imikejackson at gmail.com
Thu Nov 12 15:07:14 CET 2009
Just to be clear, Here are your options:
32 Bit Applications ONLY from 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6 with 32 bit PPC and
i386 Archs using the Carbon Library. Should be able to do a Static
Build.
64 Bit Application ONLY from 10.5 and 10.6 using the -cocoa and PPC and
i386 and x86_64 archs. ONLY available option is a "Framework" build
which is a Dynamic Library as a Universal Binary.
Just to be clear, Apple was the one who dropped support for 64 Bit GUI
apps using Carbon a few years back. This put Qt in a box as to how to
get a 64 bit framework up and running. Kudos to the Qt engineers for
porting the Carbon bits to Cocoa and now providing a Cocoa based 64 bit
capable gui framework.
Mike Jackson
On 2009-11-11 18:13:12 -0500, Rush Manbert <rush at manbert.com> said:
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> Yes, if we didn't want to support 64-bit executables we could do that,
> and back when we were doing our evaluation we thought that only having
> 32-bit executables would be okay. But now we think we need to support
> 64-bit, and it opens a whole new can of worms.
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> - Rush
>
> On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Israel Brewster wrote:
>
>> Well, I haven't built a 64 bit executable, but I have had no
>> problems with distributing a single linked 32 bit binary to 10.4,
>> 10.5, and 10.6, using just the -static and -universal flags. I don't
>> specify -arch at all when building Qt, and it seems to work well.
>> The only problems I have run into are when something I am statically
>> linking in (like postgresql drivers) doesn't have the proper
>> architecture. But that isn't a QT problem :)
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Rush Manbert wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Dave Thorup wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> As others have already mentioned you'll need to download the Qt
>>>> sources and build the Qt libraries yourself using the 10.4 SDK as
>>>> well as targeting 10.4 ( MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10. ). You'll
>>>> also need to be sure that you build Qt as Universal Binaries in
>>>> order to target your G4 iBook. We target Mac OS X 10.4 while
>>>> developing on 10.5 (and now 10.6), you just need to make sure that
>>>> you build your Qt libraries properly and get your project settings
>>>> correct as well. Here are my notes on building Qt to target 10.4:
>>>>
>>>>> Qt needs some special configuration flags to work well with
>>>>> Leopard. The MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET environment variable must
>>>>> be set to 10.4 (or 10.3 for earlier compatibility). Enter the
>>>>> following in Terminal before configuring Qt:
>>>>> MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.4
>>>>> export MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET
>>>>> Configure Qt with the following (note that this doesn't make the
>>>>> demos or examples which is much faster):
>>>>> ./configure -nomake demos -nomake examples -dwarf2 -sdk /
>>>>> Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -universal
>>>>> This will ensure that source code is visible in Xcode when
>>>>> debugging. Add "-universal" to build a Universal Binary version
>>>>> of Qt.
>>>>> You'll also need to set the following in your Qt pro file for
>>>>> your projects:
>>>>> QMAKE_MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET = 10.4
>>>>> QMAKE_MAC_SDK=/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk
>>>>> In order to view the Qt sources in the Xcode Debugger you'll need
>>>>> to double-click on the "bibblepro" executable in the Executables
>>>>> section of the Xcode project and select "Use <debug> suffix when
>>>>> loading frameworks." Where <debug> is selected from a popup menu.
>>>>
>>>> We use Qt 4.4.3, but it should be the same with Qt 4.5.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is an old thread by now, but I would like to extend the
>>> discussion a little bit.
>>>
>>> We need to support deployment on OS X 10.4 through 10.6, and on
>>> 10.6 we need to support X86_64. We want to statically link our
>>> executables, so we want to build Qt to have static libraries. We
>>> develop on 10.6 using the Xcode 3.2 toolset.
>>>
>>> This seems to get us into a problematic area for Qt. The help for
>>> configure says in regard to the "-arch " setting:
>>> -arch <arch> ....... Build Qt for <arch>
>>> Example values for <arch>: x86 ppc x86_64
>>> ppc64
>>> Multiple -arch arguments can be specified,
>>> 64-bit archs
>>> will be built with the Cocoa framework.
>>>
>>> and it says in regard to the "-cocoa" setting:
>>> -cocoa ............. Build the Cocoa version of Qt. Note that -
>>> no-framework
>>> and -static is not supported with -cocoa.
>>> Specifying
>>> this option creates Qt binaries that
>>> requires Mac OS X
>>> 10.5 or higher.
>>>
>>> It would seem that if we specify "-arch X86_64" we implicitly
>>> specify "-cocoa" and "-framework" and we limit ourselves to
>>> deployment on 10.5 and above.
>>>
>>> But if we only build the 32 bit architectures, specify "-static",
>>> and omit "-cocoa", then we can't build 64 bit libraries.
>>>
>>> What we would like is this:
>>> - static libraries
>>> - cocoa or carbon
>>> - each library supports ppc, x86, and x86_64 architectures (the
>>> 10.6 notion of "universal")
>>> - deployable on 10.4, 10.5, and 10.6
>>>
>>> but that doesn't look like it's possible. In fact, it looks as if I
>>> could reduce my requirements to this:
>>> - a single linked application
>>> - deployable on 10.4, 10.5, and 10.6
>>>
>>> and still not be able to satisfy them!
>>>
>>> Has anyone else solved/worked around these issues?
>>>
>>> - Rush
>>>
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>> Israel Brewster
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> <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
> -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yes, =
> if we didn't want to support 64-bit executables we could do that, and =
> back when we were doing our evaluation we thought that only having =
> 32-bit executables would be okay. But now we think we need to support =
> 64-bit, and it opens a whole new can of worms.<div><br></div><div>Thanks =
> for your reply.</div><div><br></div><div>- =
> Rush</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Israel =
> Brewster wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
> type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
> space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well, I haven't built a =
> 64 bit executable, but I have had no problems with distributing a single =
> linked 32 bit binary to 10.4, 10.5, and 10.6, using just the -static and =
> -universal flags. I don't specify -arch at all when building Qt, and it =
> seems to work well. The only problems I have run into are when something =
> I am statically linking in (like postgresql drivers) doesn't have the =
> proper architecture. But that isn't a QT problem :)<div><br><div><div>On =
> Nov 11, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Rush Manbert wrote:</div><br =
> class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
> style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
> -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>On Oct 9, 2009, at 12:29 =
> PM, Dave Thorup wrote:</div><div><snip><br><blockquote =
> type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
> space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class=3D"" =
> style=3D""><font class=3D"Apple-style-span"><br =
> class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"">As others have =
> already mentioned you'll need to download the Qt sources and build the =
> Qt libraries yourself using the 10.4 SDK as well as targeting 10.4 =
> ( <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"white-space: pre; =
> ">MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=3D10. <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
> style=3D"white-space: normal; ">). You'll also need to be sure =
> that you build Qt as Universal Binaries in order to target your G4 =
> iBook. We target Mac OS X 10.4 while developing on 10.5 (and now =
> 10.6), you just need to make sure that you build your Qt libraries =
> properly and get your project settings correct as well. Here are =
> my notes on building Qt to target 10.4:</span></span></div><div class=3D""=
> style=3D""><br class=3D"" style=3D""></div><div class=3D"" =
> style=3D""><div class=3D"" style=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
> class=3D"" style=3D"">Qt needs some special configuration flags to work =
> well with Leopard. The MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET environment variable =
> must be set to 10.4 (or 10.3 for earlier compatibility). Enter the =
> following in Terminal before configuring Qt:</div><pre class=3D"" =
> style=3D"">MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=3D10.4
> export MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET
> </pre><div class=3D"" style=3D"">Configure Qt with the following (note =
> that this doesn't make the demos or examples which is much =
> faster):</div><pre class=3D"" style=3D"">./configure -nomake demos =
> -nomake examples -dwarf2 -sdk /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -universal
> </pre><div class=3D"" style=3D"">This will ensure that source code is =
> visible in Xcode when debugging. Add "-universal" to build a Universal =
> Binary version of Qt.</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"">You'll also need =
> to set the following in your Qt pro file for your projects:</div><pre =
> class=3D"" style=3D"">QMAKE_MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET =3D 10.4
> QMAKE_MAC_SDK=3D/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk
> </pre><div class=3D"" style=3D"">In order to view the Qt sources in the =
> Xcode Debugger you'll need to double-click on the "bibblepro" executable =
> in the Executables section of the Xcode project and select "Use =
> <debug> suffix when loading frameworks." Where <debug> is =
> selected from a popup menu.</div></blockquote><div class=3D"" =
> style=3D""><br class=3D"" style=3D""></div></div><div class=3D"" =
> style=3D"">We use Qt 4.4.3, but it should be the same with Qt =
> 4.5.</div><div class=3D"" style=3D""><br class=3D"" =
> style=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div><div>This is an old =
> thread by now, but I would like to extend the discussion a little =
> bit.</div><div><br></div><div>We need to support deployment on OS X 10.4 =
> through 10.6, and on 10.6 we need to support X86_64. We want to =
> statically link our executables, so we want to build Qt to have static =
> libraries. We develop on 10.6 using the Xcode 3.2 =
> toolset.</div><div><br></div><div>This seems to get us into a =
> problematic area for Qt. The help for configure says in regard to the =
> "-arch " setting:</div><div><div> -arch <arch> =
> ....... Build Qt for <arch> =
> =
> =
> </div><div> =
> Example values =
> for <arch>: x86 ppc x86_64 ppc64 =
> =
> </div><div> =
> Multiple -arch arguments can be =
> specified, 64-bit archs =
> </div><div> =
> will be built =
> with the Cocoa framework. =
> =
> </div><div><br></div><div>and it says in regard to =
> the "-cocoa" setting:</div><div><div> -cocoa =
> ............. Build the Cocoa version of Qt. Note that -no-framework =
> =
> </div><div> =
> and -static is not supported =
> with -cocoa. Specifying =
> </div><div> =
> =
> this option creates Qt binaries that requires Mac OS X =
> =
> </div><div> =
> 10.5 or higher. =
> =
> =
> =
> </div><div><br></div><div>It would seem that if we specify "-arch =
> X86_64" we implicitly specify "-cocoa" and "-framework" and we limit =
> ourselves to deployment on 10.5 and above.</div><div><br></div><div>But =
> if we only build the 32 bit architectures, specify "-static", and omit =
> "-cocoa", then we can't build 64 bit =
> libraries.</div><div><br></div><div>What we would like is =
> this:</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: =
> pre; "> </span>- static libraries</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span"=
> style=3D"white-space: pre; "> </span>- cocoa or carbon</div><div><span =
> class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: pre; "> </span>- each =
> library supports ppc, x86, and x86_64 architectures (the 10.6 notion of =
> "universal")</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
> style=3D"white-space: pre; "> </span>- deployable on 10.4, 10.5, and =
> 10.6</div><div><br></div><div>but that doesn't look like it's possible. =
> In fact, it looks as if I could reduce my requirements to =
> this:</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
> </span>- a single linked application</div><div><div><span =
> class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space: pre; "> </span>- =
> deployable on 10.4, 10.5, and 10.6</div><div><br></div><div>and still =
> not be able to satisfy them!</div><div><br></div></div><div>Has anyone =
> else solved/worked around these issues?</div><div><br></div><div>- =
> Rush</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div>_________________________=
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