[Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all who relies on Nokia

Fri Feb 11 12:39:26 CET 2011

I agree - but the question is - what will force Nokia to support the Qt development? Many companies and huge projects fully depend on Qt. Till now Qt was supposed to be the preferred framework by Nokia - but if Qt is going to be something lying apart...

Stanislav Kolar
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-----Original Message-----
From: pmqt71 [mailto:pmqt71 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 12:30 PM
To: Stanislav Kolar; qt-interest at trolltech.com
Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all who relies on Nokia

Hi all,

let me make a distinction : Qt is not tied to mobile phones, Qt is a
framework for cross platform development. So it will survive for its
true nature.

In actual use, IMHO, Qt is not a valid framework for mobile apps: how
many Qt apps do we have for mobiles?
My little experience with Qt for mobiles was not a success: the WinCE
version is a 16 Mb CAB file!! It contains the Qt runtime, of course,
and I could buy a license to make a static build. But I'll never do
it, I'm shipping a free app, why to pay Nokia to develop for free???
I simply will move my project to a free platform!

Porting Qt to WP7 is a nonsense. They already have a framework, they
already have tools, good tools. Do you consider Qt Creator better than
Visual Studio? Do you consider Qt Creator better than Visual C++
Express (free) Edition? Can we compete?.

pm

2011/2/11 Stanislav Kolar <skolar at kerio.com>:
> AFAIK it's almost impossible to port Qt to WP7. Look at the specs :-(
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> Stanislav Kolar
>
> Research & Development
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> .................................................................
>
> Kerio Technologies
>
> Anglicke nabrezi 1, 301 49 Plzen
>
> Czech Republic
>
> tel. 377 338 901, fax 377 338 921
>
> www.kerio.com
>
> .................................................................
>
> Connect. Communicate. Collaborate. Securely.
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> From: qt-interest-bounces+skolar=kerio.com at qt.nokia.com
> [mailto:qt-interest-bounces+skolar=kerio.com at qt.nokia.com] On Behalf Of
> Mihail Naydenov
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: qt next; qt-interest at trolltech.com
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> Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for
> all who relies on Nokia
>
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>
> Here it is
> http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-notifies-developers-that-qt-is-out-for-windows-phone-devel/
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> From: qt next <qtnext at gmail.com>
> To: qt-interest at trolltech.com
> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 11:28:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for
> all who relies on Nokia
>
> I hopes we will have a clear word about the future of Qt.... If it was not
> bought by Nokia : at this time Qt will certainly port to android, to match
> qt everywhere... It seems it's clearly not a technical problem, but more a
> choice.
>
> I am not also a business startegist ...but for me, if Nokia go to WP7 a port
> of Qt to WP7 is a must have to ensure to Nokia a fast shift to another
> platform if needed in the futur (who knows ... 1 year later the revolution
> with meego, 6 month latter the revolution with Symbian + Meego : a ecosystem
> ....
>
>
>
> just some previous comment of Elop on Qt, Meego :
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>
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> http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/02/15/nokia-and-intel-create-meego-for-new-era-of-mobile-computing/
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> http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/21/stephen-elop-talks-nokia-qt-and-meego/
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> http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/01/27/stephen-elop-talks-strengths-successes-and-the-future/
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> (for the developer ... don't know ... can change :(
>
>
>
> ... .And now...  :(
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> 2011/2/11 Mikael Helbo Kjær <mhk at designtech.dk>
>
>> 11.02.2011, 11:11, "kaolite gmail" <kaolite at gmail.com>:
>> > incredible ... silly ! meego to the trash ... and WP7 instead .. a
>> none sense !!
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Especially taking into account that WP7 is not really successful on the
>> market
>
> And it won't be in my opinion. It is not that it is not innovative or
> pretty, it may a bit too controlled (according to some articles I've read MS
> dictates a lot about the hardware of the phone even down to the design) but
> it is mostly too late. Nokia does provide MS with a partner in phones
> outside of HTC whose big sellers are currently Android phones in this but
> Nokia is not really "big" with regards to modern smartphones. RIM and HP
> with their alternative platforms are struggling to make a big impact and RIM
> at least used to be a big player. WP7 would have to seriously out-innovate
> Android and iOS at this point to prevent Android becoming the equivalent of
> the Windows of the current Mobile age (however it is a more dynamic market
> than the desktop market with regards to replacements) and that is not
> looking likely even with Nokia's help. Business types and investors will
> like this and I think it will positively affect Nokia's stock prices, but
> really if the entire reason fo
>  r Nokia not to use Android was to distinguish itself and not be reliant on
> Google, how is WP7 an improvement (outside of course that the new manager of
> Nokia is an old Microsoft manager)?
>
> On the Qt front you'd have to fear the eventual erosion and possible slow
> death of Qt Software as a department of Nokia. It is not strategically well
> placed with regards to the new WP7 strategy which is clearly tied to
> Windows. A MS/Nokia alliance would naturally become about C# (which is the
> access level most app developers have on WP7 AFAIK) not native C++ and
> definitely not about being cross-platform.
>
> Nokia never seemed to have much interest in being a desktop software
> developer, this was the original fear of most of the naysayers when Nokia
> bought Trolltech and behold where it has invested a lot of its R&D: QML
> (best for Mobile at the moment and near future as well as clearly designed
> as an mobile app GUI platform), Webkit (so-so on both sides of the
> desktop/mobile fence), a massive Symbian extension of Qt (understandable,
> but not really helping much as Symbian is dead or people want it to be) and
> much improved dev-tools for C++ (clearly a win for both desktop and mobile).
> In the future if successful Nokia will "deprecate" Qt from their product
> list, not the death of the library but I would expect first layoffs and a
> development slow-down. In the case it is not successful then maybe by
> hedging their bets a little and riding along with Meego they might get a
> smaller boost again but I doubt it. At the very least this is unwelcome news
> for Nokia's Qt folks and over time this
>  could have ripples into the businesses of people here on the list and KDE
> (smaller consultancies and even a new Trolltech could popup to keep Qt the
> library alive but I doubt it would be the same).
>
> Given current market momentum I believe Qt would have been better served by
> having it be compatible with Android earlier on. That would have given more
> chance of apps being developed that could be crossed over to the
> Meego/Symbian world instead of going it alone. The compatibility could still
> happen through Lighthouse but I doubt it will help much at this point if not
> officially endorsed by Qt's developers and I wonder what the corporate
> leaders within Nokia would say to any part of their business supporting a
> cross-mobile strategy even if that was part of the original spirit of Qt.
>
> But then I am not a business strategist or do I know what is going on for
> real inside Nokia. So take all of this with a grain of salt.
>
> Regards,
> Mikael
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