[Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all who relies on Nokia

Fri Feb 11 18:10:02 CET 2011

Jason:

> But looks like a lot of trolls will be re-assigned to WP7, or let go.

  There's no particular reason why the Trolls should
  be especially raided to work on Nokia Windows Phone;
  Nokia has literally *THOUSANDS* of Symbian-developing
  and Symbian-using software engineers and every one
  of those engineers is suddenly 100% surplus to
  requirements but has closer experience to developing
  phones.

  The real question for the Trolls is that now that they
  no longer add any value to Nokia (and they don't; Qt
  won't appear on Nokia Windows Phone and Maemo/MeeGo
  is nothing more than a hobby that stands directly in
  the way of Microsoft's goals so it won't last long),
  how long will Nokia want to keep paying them? I'd
  guess no longer than the law requires in Sweden and
  Germany or until Nokia figures out how to divest Qt.

  Qt needs to rapidly revert to the situation before
  Trolltech was acquired by Nokia: Put Qt on a paying basis
  or see it disappear except for such effort as the open-
  source hobbyists are willing to donate.

                               Atlant

-----Original Message-----
From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com [mailto:qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com] On Behalf Of Jason H
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:46
To: pmqt71; BRM; qt-interest at trolltech.com
Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all who relies on Nokia

I'm sorry, but QT Creator is not on par with Dev Studio. Its not even close.
It is good for Qt and QML projects. But most everything supports Eclipse now,
and would be the way to go today.

QtCreator DOES focus on the phones because of all the cross compiler support.

I think the open source approach is being abandoned because:
1) Elop was nto party to that
2) Nokia board brought him in to change stuff
3) Open source is too slow. Sorry, but it is. It'll copy something quickly, but
as far as innovation goes... it takes forever. And Nokia has demonstrated this.

It sounds like Qt is NOT going away. But looks like a lot of trolls will be
re-assigned to WP7, or let go. The irony is I hope to be able to use Qt to make
apps for iOS and Android, and I can't target WP7. Lets add those patched for iOS
and Android because Elop's gotta undo this sooner than later.  Elop says 2 years
to change direction. Nokia stock is down 13%. Market says Fail.

----- Original Message ----
From: pmqt71 <pmqt71 at gmail.com>
To: BRM <bm_witness at yahoo.com>; qt-interest at trolltech.com
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 11:23:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all
who relies on Nokia

> Qt Creator is pretty much on par with Visual Studios as an environment. It's
>far
> superior to most any other IDE out there.
> That's not to say it's perfect or that it is on par in every way, but it's
>makes
> a very good challenger to the VS market.

Well, it's also a matter of preference. But let's take another point
of view: how much resources, people, time, did it take to Nokia? how
much it costs? but above all, why to develop a new IDE? Samsung, for
instance, has shipped a new framework for their devices; did they need
a new, dedicated IDE? Has Android a custom IDE?
Qt Creator is just an example of how Nokia wanted to make (almost)
ALL, but without focusing on the most important target: Nokia phones.

pm

2011/2/11 BRM <bm_witness at yahoo.com>:
>> From: Konstantin Tokarev <annulen at yandex.ru>
>> 11.02.2011, 13:05, "Arnold Krille" <arnold at arnoldarts.de>:
>> > They  don't need to. Qt is LGPL, just leave Nokia (or get the pink slip,
>> >  whichever comes first), gather in a new firm or in one of the existing
 Qt-
>> > consulting firms and continue to work on Qt or
>>the_fork_formerly_known_as_Qt.
>> But they need if they want to sell  commercial licenses as they did before
>>acquisition
>>
>> of Trolltech by  Nokia
>
> Or just have the firm buy a Qt license first, before announcing the fork -
it's
> perpetual itself; you just don't get support or updates beyond the 1 year
mark.
> Now, I am not a lawyer, so consult one first.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: pmqt71 <pmqt71 at gmail.com>
>> Porting Qt to WP7 is a nonsense. They already have a framework,  they
>> already have tools, good tools. Do you consider Qt Creator better  than
>> Visual Studio? Do you consider Qt Creator better than Visual  C++
>> Express (free) Edition? Can we compete?.
>
> Qt Creator is pretty much on par with Visual Studios as an environment. It's
>far
> superior to most any other IDE out there.
> That's not to say it's perfect or that it is on par in every way, but it's
>makes
> a very good challenger to the VS market.
>
> Now, per VC++ - Qt Creator uses a far superior compiler. VS's C++ compiler is
> functional and improving, but no where near as good as GNU's g++, which
> underlies Qt Creator.
>
> $0.02
>
> Ben
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