[Qt-qml] Fw: Why can't I stylesheet a font?

[Jason H]

I am missing like 1/2 the messages in my webmail interface. So I apologize for 
being a bit lost.I don't know why we are using the terms flame and flamebait.

First the system palette stuff is ok. However it is completely read-only. It 
should be r/e and initialized to system defaults. Then you *should* be able to 
change it, to effect global changes in your application. Having it be read-only 
is to quit yourself with a gun and then shoot yourself in the foot. Oh, and it 
should also contain font information. Then any attribute that is not specified 
is inherited from this object. 


Hard coding is why most MS apps suck. Just try to resize some of those Windows 
dialogs. It is a major bummer most of the time. 


I do not agree with the statement "Then you're using the wrong tool. QML is 
intended to allow designers to  do exactly that. If you want to replicate the 
1980s world of UIs  generated from data definitions and infinitely themable but 
sterile UIs,  then you've missed the QML point entirely."

QML allows for themes (or almost does) and they should be easily supported. This 
dynamic nature is only an asset to the tool. There is no reason why you can't 
hard-code everything. But the layouts in Qt are 99% of the reason why I still 
want local GUIs in Qt. 


I also think your use of the word "sterile" is myopic. With the proper structure 
and planning there is no reason why it would be "sterile", by anyway that you 
define it. In fact, could you explain what lead you to use the term "sterile" I 
can't follow at all.

Then Ivan says:
"I believe that this kind of "style-sheeting" is a bad idea for QML.
As  I say around the office: \"QML requires to have a mind-set change. Much  
more WebPage and Javascript oriented, then C++ oriented\"."

Well CSS is a part of web pages. This kind of site-management is essential to 
responding to UI feedback in a timely fashon. Heck I imagine "previews" that 
allow you to provide a template and a live user interface that allows the 
customer (be it a paying one, the art department, or end user) to use color 
pickers and combo boxes to style their screens. it would not really be possible 
unless you search-replace on the QML files, rather than just change a single 
prefs file and reload. (I'd hope eventually the reload would not be necessary, 
and that you can send an event to re-import the prefs and evaluate) But that is 
future work.

I still don't see why style sheets are anything less than a fantastic idea...





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From: Ivan De Marino <ivan.de.marino at gmail.com>
To: warwick.allison at nokia.com
Cc: scorp1us at yahoo.com; qt-qml at trolltech.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 12:19:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Qt-qml] Fw: Why can't I stylesheet a font?


[flame]+1 and http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-systempalette.html
[/flame]

I believe that this kind of "style-sheeting" is a bad idea for QML.
As I say around the office: "QML requires to have a mind-set change. Much more 
WebPage and Javascript oriented, then C++ oriented".

Something that may also be done is to inject a Style QML object that carries the 
property that u really need to have "dynamically set".

Anyway, there are QML-ways to do what you want, without breaking the 
 Declarative-paradigm.


On 13 July 2010 08:10, <warwick.allison at nokia.com> wrote:

> [flamebait]
>
>> I have a complete disdain for hardcoding anything in a UI.
>
>Then you're using the wrong tool. QML is intended to allow designers to do 
>exactly that. If you want to replicate the 1980s world of UIs generated from 
>data definitions and infinitely themable but sterile UIs, then you've missed the 
>QML point entirely.
>
>--
>Warwick
>
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