[Qt-qml] Standards?

[Jason H]

Addendum:
Flash/AIR - was there first, has lions share
SilverLight/.Net - is an abysmal failure. People don't want to learn another 
proprietary form that will just lock people in
MoonLight/Mono (.Net) - Silverlight for Linux. A solution to a problem that 
doesn't exist. There are no .Net users on Linux that aren't in a mental 
institution.
QML/Qt - the first complete open source stack. Also, Linux users can have a 1st 
rate flashy experience. 


Whereas Silverlight and Flash are competitors, both are proprietary and closed. 
Having a free ($0) and open stack will make people less wary about porting to 
QML. Infact, I predict converter tools will crop up, ensuring people migrate to 
the platform. 


So you're gonna get the Linux users. You're gonna get the entry-level Flash 
people because they don't have to pay for the IDE. You're going to get webbies 
who hate MS and Flash but do it because there's nothing better. You're going to 
get the Moonlighters because it'll be first-rate support on Linux. 


I don't know how you can have any doubts. My only worry is the documentation is 
sparse, and attempts to make up with it with code examples. Maybe we could have 
a conversation on what documentation I'd like to see? Clearly, all the QML 
elements are coverered, and has produced several 'ah ha!' revelations, but my 
understanding is not yet complete.

I'm off to read Alan's QML labs article...




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From: Jason H <scorp1us at yahoo.com>
To: Ivan De Marino <ivan.de.marino at gmail.com>
Cc: "qt-qml at trolltech.com" <qt-qml at trolltech.com>
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 10:15:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Qt-qml] Standards?


Well, throwing it out there as a web standard I think would raise some eyebrows, 

get the attention, and make it hugely successful. People have been crying for a 
open source flash replacement. Tools like gnash don't fix the problem, as they 
don't compile the binary. 

I think all that would be needed is a reference implementation that is a browser 

plugin on OSX, Windows and Linux. 


We've got a chicken and egg problem. But getting one will produce the other 
eventually. I think having it as a web standard would help get both the 
quickest. 

-J


On Jul 20, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Ivan De Marino <ivan.de.marino at gmail.com> wrote:


I don't think QML needs to 'prove itself'.
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I didn't mean in a technological sense.
I think QML is brilliant and I'm being an advocate of it myself.

But we, around the Qt area, are the only one really aware of what it is.
It needs to reach a wider audience, and a wider knowledge base, to become a 
serious candidate.

That's what I meant.
 

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>Well, you could pick up the Qt on NaCl baton and help take that that forward.
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>http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/06/25/qt-for-google-native-client-preview/
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>From:qt-qml-bounces at trolltech.com [mailto:qt-qml-bounces at trolltech.com] On 
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>If with "submit QML as web standard" you mean to "submit QML to W3C for 
>standardization", I guess you should bear in mind that Flash ISN'T a standard.
>I just happened to become widely used because filled a gap that HTML (and 
>relata) on it's own couldn't.
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>I would love though to be able to develop stuff in QML and have it running 
>within a browser.
>Problem is, we would fall into the trap of User requiring to install another 
>plugin so that a QML-player could sit into an "<object>" tag.
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>Other options could be to extend the <canvas> set of context to support a "QML 
>context". But maybe this is just dreaming...
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>QML still has to prove itself on the wide scene, unfortunately.
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>On 15 July 2010 03:48, Jason H <scorp1us at yahoo.com> wrote:
>I was wondering if there are any plans to submit QML as a web standard, so that
>we can replace Flash? This would be the first fully open source implementation
>of anything close to it.
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