From Knut.Yrvin at digia.com Mon Dec 3 14:00:57 2012 From: Knut.Yrvin at digia.com (Yrvin Knut) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:00:57 +0000 Subject: [Web] Meeting minutes "What is Qt Project Web" Monday 26.11.2012 Message-ID: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D4066047A@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> 26/11: What is Qt Project Web? (on IRC #qt-devnet-moderators on freenode network) Tests with meeting on Google Hangout and Skype will be performed after the IRC meeting. -- Single SignOn might be #1 priorit -- There is a discussion on who are served with Qt Projecet Web (Dev.Net): those who developers Qt or those developers who uses Qt for making apps. Ration is 1/1000 -- There is suggestions on new best-of-breed services, requiering single sign on -- QnA are suggested (which has taken long time to make, if I understood the discussion right). -- We'll put up a wiki for all the ideas -- There are other discussions on roles and responsibilities going forward (soscial moderators, technical, agreements, privacy and so on). -- Digia means to have the site as the main public site for suppor to Qt developers (outside of direct commercial support) -- Making the Mailing List public Audio/Video conference testing: -- Skype worked without video for 8/8. Windows users got video. Not for Linux. -- Google Hangout worked with video for 7/8 Tobias didn't make it yet ;) Regarding video Google Hangout is the best option. Regarding audio Skype is the best option. Participants in the testing: [kl. 21:48:22] andresomers: atsomers at gmail.com [kl. 21:48:31] Denis Kormalev: kormalev.denis at gmail.com [kl. 21:48:36] Knut Yrvin: knut.yrvin at gmail.com [kl. 21:48:37] Vasiliy Sorokin: sorokin.vasiliy at gmail.com [kl. 21:48:45] Tobias Hunger: tobias.hunger at gmail.com [kl. 21:49:47] Mark Long: Markdavidlong at gmail.com [kl. 21:50:01] Giuseppe D'Angelo: dangelog at gmail.com [kl. 21:50:02] Gerolf Reinwardt (Geoff): giesbert at scoutnet.de Best regards Knut Yrvin -- Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt Email: knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile: + 47 934 79 561 Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com From mitch.curtis at digia.com Wed Dec 5 18:18:57 2012 From: mitch.curtis at digia.com (Mitch Curtis) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:18:57 +0100 Subject: [Web] [Development] Editing the FAQs at qt-project.org/faq In-Reply-To: References: <5983815.nT6VNdkrB4@mitch> Message-ID: <2002258.YEaRCHpxva@mitch> On Wednesday, December 05, 2012 05:15:34 PM Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > On 5 December 2012 17:06, Mitch Curtis wrote: > > How can I edit a FAQ at http://qt-project.org/faq? I have a devnet account, but apparently that doesn't help. > > You can't, unless you're an admin. > > That's one of the many things that hopefully are going to change (cf. > what's going on on web@ mailing list), but for now you must ask the > admins to fix a FAQ for you. > > Cheers, > Ah. There is a thread about this on the forums [1], in which it was suggested that posters with a rank of "Mad Scientist" [2] (10837 or more posts, which is quite extreme in my opinion) should be able to edit FAQs, which I think is a great idea. [1] http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/1079 [2] http://qt-project.org/ranks From andre.poenitz at mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de Wed Dec 5 20:37:27 2012 From: andre.poenitz at mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_P=F6nitz?=) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 20:37:27 +0100 Subject: [Web] [Development] Editing the FAQs at qt-project.org/faq In-Reply-To: <2002258.YEaRCHpxva@mitch> References: <5983815.nT6VNdkrB4@mitch> <2002258.YEaRCHpxva@mitch> Message-ID: <20121205193727.GA4904@klara.mpi.htwm.de> On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 06:18:57PM +0100, Mitch Curtis wrote: > On Wednesday, December 05, 2012 05:15:34 PM Giuseppe D'Angelo wrote: > > On 5 December 2012 17:06, Mitch Curtis > > wrote: > > > How can I edit a FAQ at http://qt-project.org/faq? I have a devnet > > > account, but apparently that doesn't help. > > > > You can't, unless you're an admin. > > > > That's one of the many things that hopefully are going to change > > (cf. what's going on on web@ mailing list), but for now you must > > ask the admins to fix a FAQ for you. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ah. > > There is a thread about this on the forums [1], in which it was > suggested that posters with a rank of "Mad Scientist" [2] (10837 or > more posts, which is quite extreme in my opinion) should be able to > edit FAQs, which I think is a great idea. It would certainly a step forward, as it makes editing at least possible. However, I don't think that having an FAQ with freely addible but essentially non-removable answers (which seem to have a tendency to get at least outdated, if not completely wrong, rather quickly) makes much sense in general. So it might be worth to spend a thought or two on alternative approaches. Like using the wiki. I also don't think that establishing a system in parallel to the existing Approver/Maintainers system is the best way to proceed. I actually doubt a lot of maintainers want to become mad, scientifically or not, just to be able to fix FAQ entries related to their field of work. I could imagine having one or more additional "official" roles in the "normal" system to take care of the non-code related tasks. One such role could be "Web Caretaker" with extra powers when it comes to web related stuff. That state should of course _not_ be automatic, i.e. without human approval, just because someone managed to add N comments to questions, correct or not. Andre' From andre at familiesomers.nl Thu Dec 6 09:48:15 2012 From: andre at familiesomers.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Somers?=) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:48:15 +0100 Subject: [Web] Discussion on Development list Message-ID: <50C05BCF.9080102@familiesomers.nl> Hi, For those not following the Development list, there is currently a bit of a discussion on that list that is really about the web issues. André Pönitz seems to have clear opinions on roles and their relations to the current roles in the Qt developers community, that are worth reading in considdering in relation to the discussion we had last monday. This is the first posting in that topic: http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-December/008336.html André From Gurudutt.Verma at digia.com Fri Dec 7 00:11:49 2012 From: Gurudutt.Verma at digia.com (Verma Gurudutt) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:11:49 +0000 Subject: [Web] Discussion on Development list In-Reply-To: <50C05BCF.9080102@familiesomers.nl> References: <50C05BCF.9080102@familiesomers.nl> Message-ID: Thank you Andre for sending this link. If you can reply that thread then may be you can reply that : FAQ are supposed to be moved to QnA forum and that new QnA forum should be named as FAQ where question and answer type question will be there. If some FAQ's really needs to befixed or changed please point that out to me , I will fix that for now since very few people can edit it today :) I guess those FAQ's needs to be corrected and someone from us should take this opportunity to correct them, let's discuss this in our next meeting. -- Gurudutt Verma Web Developer Digia, Qt Email: gurudutt.verma at digia.com Mobile: + 47 92 05 07 48 http://qt.digia.com Qt Blog: http://blog.qt.digia.com/ Qt Facebook: www.facebook.com/qtcommercial Qt Twitter: www.twitter.com/qtcommercial ------------------------------------------------------------------ PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and any attachments are intended only for use by the named addressee and may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. 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André Pönitz seems to have clear opinions on roles and their relations to the current roles in the Qt developers community, that are worth reading in considdering in relation to the discussion we had last monday. This is the first posting in that topic: http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-December/008336.html André _______________________________________________ Web mailing list Web at qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/web From Knut.Yrvin at digia.com Mon Dec 10 13:31:26 2012 From: Knut.Yrvin at digia.com (Yrvin Knut) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:31:26 +0000 Subject: [Web] Reminder: Open Governance meeting today 20:00 CET on Technical issues Message-ID: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D40661AB1@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Hello, Just a gentle reminding on the IRC meeting on Open Governance today, 20:00 CET (21:00 EET). Where? IRC channel: #qt-devnet-moderators on freenode.net Ideas on todays meeting: https://qt-project.org/wiki/Ideas_for_DevNet_2#ad1ec60c9e1f10f6a9f5d9f2c5254bc6 Meeting summary of previous meetings: https://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Meeting_Summary Best regards Knut Yrvin -- Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt Email: knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile: + 47 934 79 561 Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com From Kai.Koehne at digia.com Fri Dec 14 10:39:04 2012 From: Kai.Koehne at digia.com (Koehne Kai) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:39:04 +0000 Subject: [Web] DevDays 2012 videos - upload to qt-project.org? Message-ID: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0827C6A@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Hi, The DevDays 2012 videos (Berlin) are online since a few days: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLizsthdRd0YzYe5T3Txgg7TUGVi-ijq4d would be great if they also show up under http://qt-project.org/videos#c-98 :) Regards Kai -- Kai Koehne, Senior Software Engineer - Digia, Qt Digia Germany GmbH, Rudower Chaussee 13, D-12489 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Mika Pälsi, Juha Varelius, Anja Wasenius Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin. Registergericht: Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 144331 B From andre at familiesomers.nl Fri Dec 14 10:48:11 2012 From: andre at familiesomers.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Somers?=) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:48:11 +0100 Subject: [Web] DevDays 2012 videos - upload to qt-project.org? In-Reply-To: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0827C6A@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> References: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0827C6A@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Message-ID: <50CAF5DB.3030508@familiesomers.nl> Op 14-12-2012 10:39, Koehne Kai schreef: > Hi, > > The DevDays 2012 videos (Berlin) are online since a few days: > > http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLizsthdRd0YzYe5T3Txgg7TUGVi-ijq4d > > would be great if they also show up under http://qt-project.org/videos#c-98 :) > > Regards > > Kai > First of all: yeah! for the video's being online in the first place. And yes, I do agree that they need to be online on the web page. André From smar at smar.fi Sat Dec 15 05:55:00 2012 From: smar at smar.fi (Samu Voutilainen) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:55 +0000 Subject: [Web] DevDays 2012 videos - upload to qt-project.org? In-Reply-To: <50CAF5DB.3030508@familiesomers.nl> References: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0827C6A@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <50CAF5DB.3030508@familiesomers.nl> Message-ID: <9993199.FHPQ2QGlAl@ranchan> On Friday 14 December 2012 10:48:11 André Somers wrote: > Op 14-12-2012 10:39, Koehne Kai schreef: > > Hi, > > > > The DevDays 2012 videos (Berlin) are online since a few days: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLizsthdRd0YzYe5T3Txgg7TUGVi-ijq4d > > > > would be great if they also show up under > > http://qt-project.org/videos#c-98 :) > > > > Regards > > > > Kai > > First of all: yeah! for the video's being online in the first place. And > yes, I do agree that they need to be online on the web page. > > André I’ll +1 this too. I wonder if there is service equal to imgur that could be looked at if it should be used instead of hosting itself? What I/we looked imgur at last meeting, it does look pretty useful for purposes. For interest, here’s link to imgur’s API: http://api.imgur.com and pricing for commercial usage: https://www.mashape.com/imgur/apiv3/pricing I think Qt project qualifies for ”heavy free usage” conditions, but what I look from this pricing page, it doesn’t look too expensive me, if that’s needed. Although it depends of hits what are coming in though, but self-hosting is not exactly without costs either. If it goes that videos are going to be self-hosted, maybe it’s a reason to self-host images too? Those don’t weigh in comparison of videos much, in terms of size or bandwidth required anyway. > _______________________________________________ > Web mailing list > Web at qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/web From dangelog at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 09:36:15 2012 From: dangelog at gmail.com (Giuseppe D'Angelo) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 08:36:15 +0000 Subject: [Web] DevDays 2012 videos - upload to qt-project.org? In-Reply-To: <9993199.FHPQ2QGlAl@ranchan> References: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0827C6A@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <50CAF5DB.3030508@familiesomers.nl> <9993199.FHPQ2QGlAl@ranchan> Message-ID: On 15 December 2012 04:55, Samu Voutilainen wrote: > > If it goes that videos are going to be self-hosted, maybe it’s a reason to > self-host images too? Those don’t weigh in comparison of videos much, in terms > of size or bandwidth required anyway. The big issue (from my POV) is that we wanted to open up image upload to anyone, while still somehow keeping the "official" material (such as video) under control. Still, hosting videos has a cost -- could we just embed them from youtube? Cheers, -- Giuseppe D'Angelo From giesbert at scoutnet.de Sat Dec 15 10:16:01 2012 From: giesbert at scoutnet.de (Gerolf Reinwardt) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:16:01 +0100 Subject: [Web] DevDays 2012 videos - upload to qt-project.org? In-Reply-To: References: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0827C6A@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <50CAF5DB.3030508@familiesomers.nl> <9993199.FHPQ2QGlAl@ranchan> Message-ID: <001301cddaa4$ce877d10$6b967730$@de> The interesting part here is, whether YouTube hosts the resolution of the videos, that are hosted on dev net. I have no experience with that. Additionally, what happens if they are removed from youtube (can that happen?) by someone? Cheers Gerolf -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Giuseppe D'Angelo [mailto:dangelog at gmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012 09:36 An: Samu Voutilainen Cc: web at qt-project.org Betreff: Re: [Web] DevDays 2012 videos - upload to qt-project.org? On 15 December 2012 04:55, Samu Voutilainen wrote: > > If it goes that videos are going to be self-hosted, maybe it’s a > reason to self-host images too? Those don’t weigh in comparison of > videos much, in terms of size or bandwidth required anyway. The big issue (from my POV) is that we wanted to open up image upload to anyone, while still somehow keeping the "official" material (such as video) under control. Still, hosting videos has a cost -- could we just embed them from youtube? Cheers, -- Giuseppe D'Angelo _______________________________________________ Web mailing list Web at qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/web From smar at smar.fi Sat Dec 15 12:03:12 2012 From: smar at smar.fi (Samu Voutilainen) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:03:12 +0000 Subject: [Web] DevDays 2012 videos - upload to qt-project.org? In-Reply-To: <001301cddaa4$ce877d10$6b967730$@de> References: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0827C6A@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <001301cddaa4$ce877d10$6b967730$@de> Message-ID: <2442284.dDB3z0J6Ua@ranchan> On Saturday 15 December 2012 10:16:01 Gerolf Reinwardt wrote: > The interesting part here is, whether YouTube hosts the resolution of the > videos, that are hosted on dev net. I have no experience with that. > Additionally, what happens if they are removed from youtube (can that > happen?) by someone? > > Cheers > Gerolf Videos removed from Youtube counts are ”removed”, that is, there is no way to recover them. A copy must be kept atleast somewhere if one wants to ensure the video will continue to exist. I would vote against using Youtube as sole channel of distribution, for some needs simply having a link where to download video, maybe for some extra quality (Youtube’s audio quality especially is sometimes really bad), maybe for throwing in to mplayer... You get the rest. Having Youtube, or some other fancy html5 player, is IMHO nice addition to video links. The procedure for Youtube videos just is that someone goes there, uploads the video to there and then shares the link, embeds the player or such. From dangelog at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 20:21:50 2012 From: dangelog at gmail.com (Giuseppe D'Angelo) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:21:50 +0000 Subject: [Web] DevDays 2012 videos - upload to qt-project.org? In-Reply-To: <001301cddaa4$ce877d10$6b967730$@de> References: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0827C6A@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> <50CAF5DB.3030508@familiesomers.nl> <9993199.FHPQ2QGlAl@ranchan> <001301cddaa4$ce877d10$6b967730$@de> Message-ID: On 15 December 2012 09:16, Gerolf Reinwardt wrote: > The interesting part here is, whether YouTube hosts the resolution of the videos, that are hosted on dev net. I have no experience with that. If you're a "trusted" user you can upload 1080p. > Additionally, what happens if they are removed from youtube (can that happen?) by someone? That's the bad part of relying on a 3rd party service -- they have full control on the upload's lifetime. Of course, I'd expect the video to be safely hosted by ourselves and just "mirrored" on youtube/vimeo/whatever. -- Giuseppe D'Angelo From knut.yrvin at digia.com Mon Dec 17 18:08:12 2012 From: knut.yrvin at digia.com (Knut Yrvin) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:08:12 +0100 Subject: [Web] Reminder: Open Governance meeting today 20:00 CET on Internationalization issues Message-ID: <19108834.MfRhS77yeU@qt-station> Hello, Just a gentle reminding on the IRC meeting on Open Governance today, 20:00 CET (21:00 EET). Where? IRC channel: #qt-devnet-moderators on freenode.net Topic on today’s meeting: Internationalization issues Meeting summary of previous meetings: https://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Meeting_Summary Ideas for Qt Project Web going forward: https://qt-project.org/wiki/Ideas_for_DevNet_2 Best regards Knut Yrvin -- Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt Email: knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile: + 47 934 79 561 Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com From Kai.Koehne at digia.com Thu Dec 20 13:11:10 2012 From: Kai.Koehne at digia.com (Koehne Kai) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:11:10 +0000 Subject: [Web] Suggestions for http://qt-project.org/downloads Message-ID: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0829153@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local> Hi, first of all congratulations to everyone involved in getting Qt 5 out, especially related to qt-project.org sites! There was almost no time from "we've the final packages" to "it's released", so great job everyone! Anyhow, when I started downloading Qt 5 myself from home today I noticed some issues with the main downloads page. So here are my observations (also backed by complains by other users): - there's no hint in the Qt 5 section that the binaries also include qt creator (it even explicitly says "Qt libraries", ). Suggestion: Call it e.g. "Qt 5.0.0 for Windows (VS 2010 406 MB)". Add a small section under the downloads saying : "The binary packages include Qt 5.0.0 libraries and Qt Creator 2.6.1." - there's no hint that the MSVC binaries are 32 bit only Suggestion: Call it e.g. "Qt 5.0.0 for Windows (VS 2010 32 bit, 406 MB)". - There's no visual separation between the Qt5 section, and the Qt 4.8.4 one. Actually I downloaded the qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.4.zip by accident because I thought that it's the Qt 5 one. Suggestion: Add section subtitles for "Qt 5.0", Qt "4.8", "Qt 4.7", "Qt 4.6" Regards Kai From mitch.curtis at digia.com Thu Dec 20 16:18:07 2012 From: mitch.curtis at digia.com (Mitch Curtis) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:18:07 +0100 Subject: [Web] Discussion on Development list In-Reply-To: References: <50C05BCF.9080102@familiesomers.nl> Message-ID: <42377698.upNX62yKIL@mitch> On Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:11:49 PM Verma Gurudutt wrote: > Thank you Andre for sending this link. > > If you can reply that thread then may be you can reply that : > > FAQ are supposed to be moved to QnA forum and that new QnA forum should be named as FAQ > where question and answer type question will be there. > > > > If some FAQ's really needs to befixed or changed please point that out to me , I will fix that for now since very few people can edit it today :) > > I guess those FAQ's needs to be corrected and someone from us should take this opportunity to correct them, let's discuss this in our next meeting. Gurudutt, is there any progress on this? Can you also please copy your response to the development list for those that are interested? Also, how can I edit http://wiki.qt-project.org/Main_Page? The "Submit Policies" link under Contributions > Qt Framework currently points to Qt Creator's submit policies, whereas it should probably point to http://qt-project.org/wiki/Commit_Policy.. though that link is already above it. I think that list needs to be revised, anyway. From smar at smar.fi Fri Dec 21 08:50:43 2012 From: smar at smar.fi (Samu Voutilainen) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:50:43 +0200 Subject: [Web] Doc frontpage telling of Qt 5 to be RC Message-ID: <5771063.taOaqsVQOM@ranchan> Hi, I just noticed that http://qt-project.org/doc/ says “Qt 5.0 Documentation (RC)” still. Known? From Gurudutt.Verma at digia.com Sat Dec 22 18:23:30 2012 From: Gurudutt.Verma at digia.com (Verma Gurudutt) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:23:30 +0000 Subject: [Web] Doc frontpage telling of Qt 5 to be RC In-Reply-To: <5771063.taOaqsVQOM@ranchan> References: <5771063.taOaqsVQOM@ranchan> Message-ID: Thank you, This is fixed :) -----Original Message----- From: web-bounces+gurudutt.verma=digia.com at qt-project.org [mailto:web-bounces+gurudutt.verma=digia.com at qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Samu Voutilainen Sent: 21. desember 2012 08:51 To: web at qt-project.org Subject: [Web] Doc frontpage telling of Qt 5 to be RC Hi, I just noticed that http://qt-project.org/doc/ says “Qt 5.0 Documentation (RC)” still. Known? _______________________________________________ Web mailing list Web at qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/web