From Knut.Yrvin at digia.com  Mon Feb  4 19:16:10 2013
From: Knut.Yrvin at digia.com (Yrvin Knut)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:16:10 +0000
Subject: [Web] Qt Project Web Open Governance: Summary at this point and the
 way going forward
Message-ID: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406CC44F@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>

Hi, 

First tank you for an engaged participation by all the moderators and Qt Project Web contributors at the weekly  Open Governance meetings the last months in 2012 and beginning of 2013. 

We are not at all finished. I'll say we 1/3 of the distance. Next step is a constructive phase, making plans and do actions for going from the situations today without open governance, to an open governance situation. 

I suggest us to start this constructive phase on Monday 18, February. It's next week. The purpose is to designing the core of Open Governance in practice. 

As a foundation, I've tried to summarize the key suggestions provide in the weekly meetings. It's is not complete. Please add things which is omitted, improvements etc.:
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Suggestions

Best regards

Knut Yrvin
--
Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt
Email:  knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile:  + 47 934 79 561
Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com


From smar at smar.fi  Tue Feb  5 09:42:50 2013
From: smar at smar.fi (Samu Voutilainen)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 10:42:50 +0200
Subject: [Web] Qt Project Web Open Governance: Summary at this point and
	the way going forward
In-Reply-To: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406CC44F@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
References: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406CC44F@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
Message-ID: <2211363.t2DnUAsWIK@akane>

Hi,

This day is ok to me :)

Same time slot, or would anyone want another time for meeting? 

On Monday 04 February 2013 18:16:10 Yrvin Knut wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> First tank you for an engaged participation by all the moderators and Qt
> Project Web contributors at the weekly  Open Governance meetings the last
> months in 2012 and beginning of 2013.
> 
> We are not at all finished. I'll say we 1/3 of the distance. Next step is a
> constructive phase, making plans and do actions for going from the
> situations today without open governance, to an open governance situation.
> 
> I suggest us to start this constructive phase on Monday 18, February. It's
> next week. The purpose is to designing the core of Open Governance in
> practice.
> 
> As a foundation, I've tried to summarize the key suggestions provide in the
> weekly meetings. It's is not complete. Please add things which is omitted,
> improvements etc.: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Suggestions
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Knut Yrvin
> --
> Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt
> Email:  knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile:  + 47 934 79 561
> Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com
> _______________________________________________
> Web mailing list
> Web at qt-project.org
> http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/web


From sierdzio at gmail.com  Tue Feb  5 09:46:41 2013
From: sierdzio at gmail.com (Tomasz Siekierda)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:46:41 +0100
Subject: [Web] Qt Project Web Open Governance: Summary at this point and
 the way going forward
In-Reply-To: <2211363.t2DnUAsWIK@akane>
References: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406CC44F@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
	<2211363.t2DnUAsWIK@akane>
Message-ID: <CAJb_6072Rk5BaLLAk+xqQYaggTf7JgQaNKOC-zVm-9S2t-d1ow@mail.gmail.com>

On 5 February 2013 09:42, Samu Voutilainen <smar at smar.fi> wrote:
> Same time slot, or would anyone want another time for meeting?

How can I join, by the way? I couldn't find a decent explanation
anywhere. If you need a moderator for the forums, you can also count
me in (https://qt-project.org/member/12548).

Cheers,
sierdzio


From smar at smar.fi  Tue Feb  5 11:28:19 2013
From: smar at smar.fi (Samu Voutilainen)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:28:19 +0200
Subject: [Web] Qt Project Web Open Governance: Summary at this point and
	the way going forward
In-Reply-To: <CAJb_6072Rk5BaLLAk+xqQYaggTf7JgQaNKOC-zVm-9S2t-d1ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406CC44F@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
	<2211363.t2DnUAsWIK@akane>
	<CAJb_6072Rk5BaLLAk+xqQYaggTf7JgQaNKOC-zVm-9S2t-d1ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1473059.SenPVIx9f9@akane>

On Tuesday 05 February 2013 09:46:41 Tomasz Siekierda wrote:
> How can I join, by the way? I couldn't find a decent explanation
> anywhere. If you need a moderator for the forums, you can also count
> me in (https://qt-project.org/member/12548).

I’d say you could just join then, or at later meeting, or at any opportunity 
that fits to you. We want *open* governance for web side too after all :) 

> 
> Cheers,
> sierdzio


From Knut.Yrvin at digia.com  Mon Feb 11 18:58:05 2013
From: Knut.Yrvin at digia.com (Yrvin Knut)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:58:05 +0000
Subject: [Web] Reminder on Open Governance going forward today 20:00 CET
Message-ID: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406CD097@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>

Hi, 

As mentioned February 4, we are going forward with a constructive face on making open governance run. Remember the meeting today 20:00 CET. Place: IRC  #qt-devnet-moderators on freenode network

We've already run 6 irc meetings, discovering a range of suggested improvements. We should expect at least as many irc meetings going forward, getting this up Open Governance up running. I've tried to make a summary of the discussion here: 
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Suggestions

In addition I've started two more pages which are almost empty, putting in line what actions we must, should or could do. The other page are a Open Governance of the Qt Project Web "charter", describing the key principles, work-flows and roles. 

Suggested actions: 
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Actions

Qt Project Web "Charter": 
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Actions


Best regards

Knut Yrvin
--
Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt
Email:  knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile:  + 47 934 79 561
Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com


From Knut.Yrvin at digia.com  Mon Feb 11 21:57:13 2013
From: Knut.Yrvin at digia.com (Yrvin Knut)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:57:13 +0000
Subject: [Web] Meeting summary on Open Governance Actions: Monday 11.02.2013
Message-ID: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406CD0CE@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>

Hi, 

I've made a short summary of the Open Governance meeting today: 
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Meeting_Summary

Lets do another meeting 20:00 CET at Monday, February 18. Topic, feedback on the Open Governance action plan and charter document. 

Best regards

Knut Yrvin
--
Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt
Email:  knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile:  + 47 934 79 561
Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com


From Knut.Yrvin at digia.com  Sun Feb 17 14:59:48 2013
From: Knut.Yrvin at digia.com (Yrvin Knut)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:59:48 +0000
Subject: [Web] Open Governance meeting 20:00 CET, Monday 19 Feb
Message-ID: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406D81A1@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>

The IRC channel for the meeting: #qt-devnet-moderators on freenode network

Topic: Feedback on the Open Governance action plan and input on the charter document. 

Action document: 
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Actions

Qt Project Web Open Governancing (still empty): 
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Open_Governance

Best regards

Knut Yrvin
--
Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt
Email:  knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile:  + 47 934 79 561
Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com


From tobias.hunger at gmail.com  Mon Feb 18 10:41:43 2013
From: tobias.hunger at gmail.com (Tobias Hunger)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:41:43 +0100
Subject: [Web] Open Governance meeting 20:00 CET, Monday 19 Feb
In-Reply-To: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406D81A1@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
References: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406D81A1@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
Message-ID: <CAMdWP3E5EybAV6LSFY5rSWJsoye2eeUcVhkmdJT1b+GJEtHwSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Knut!

2013/2/17 Yrvin Knut <Knut.Yrvin at digia.com>:
> Action document:
> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Actions

>From this document: "Banning users (moderator email list (private) has
to be created): All banning requests should be done via qt-project at
digia dot com in order to track the reasons"

Could we please set up a ML for this at qt-project.org? I do not mind
that ML being closed nor the access to it restricted to the people
currently subscribed to that qt-project address for now, but once we
have open governance every user of the appropriate access level should
be able to view this data and comment on the reasoning. I do not think
this is feasible with a digia address. Changing addresses later is of
course always an option, but why generate confusion later when it can
be easily avoided.

Best Regards,
Tobias


From Knut.Yrvin at digia.com  Mon Feb 18 20:20:08 2013
From: Knut.Yrvin at digia.com (Yrvin Knut)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:20:08 +0000
Subject: [Web] Open Governance meeting 20:00 CET, Monday 19 Feb
In-Reply-To: <CAMdWP3E5EybAV6LSFY5rSWJsoye2eeUcVhkmdJT1b+GJEtHwSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406D81A1@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>,
	<CAMdWP3E5EybAV6LSFY5rSWJsoye2eeUcVhkmdJT1b+GJEtHwSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406DDCDB@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>

Just to get trackability on that, we put up a intermediate e-maillist labled: 
 qt-project at digia.com. After our knowledge such things hasn't been traced that way before. 

Best regards

Knut Yrvin
--
Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt
Email:  knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile:  + 47 934 79 561
Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com

________________________________________
Fra: Tobias Hunger [tobias.hunger at gmail.com]
Sendt: 18. februar 2013 10:41
To: Yrvin Knut
Cc: web at qt-project.org
Emne: Re: [Web] Open Governance meeting 20:00 CET, Monday 19 Feb

Hi Knut!

2013/2/17 Yrvin Knut <Knut.Yrvin at digia.com>:
> Action document:
> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Actions

>From this document: "Banning users (moderator email list (private) has
to be created): All banning requests should be done via qt-project at
digia dot com in order to track the reasons"

Could we please set up a ML for this at qt-project.org? I do not mind
that ML being closed nor the access to it restricted to the people
currently subscribed to that qt-project address for now, but once we
have open governance every user of the appropriate access level should
be able to view this data and comment on the reasoning. I do not think
this is feasible with a digia address. Changing addresses later is of
course always an option, but why generate confusion later when it can
be easily avoided.

Best Regards,
Tobias


From Knut.Yrvin at digia.com  Mon Feb 18 21:44:51 2013
From: Knut.Yrvin at digia.com (Yrvin Knut)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:44:51 +0000
Subject: [Web] Meeting summary on todays IRC meeting is the Web Actions
 (18.02.2013)
Message-ID: <2B1920B6F2853947A3B5B1FC476E2D406DE11F@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>

The Qt Project Web Actions document: 
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Actions

I would really appreciate more items/bullets on the following topics mentioned in the document: 
* What is the problems and benefits with Expression Engine today?
* What is the problems and benefits with Wikimedia?
* What has to be done if we are replacing Expression Engine with Wikimedia?
* What has to be done if we’re keeping Expression Engine?

Thank you for all the suggestions from peppe, AndreSommers, Smar, vass ++ at todays meeting :D

Best regards

Knut Yrvin
--
Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt
Email:  knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile:  + 47 934 79 561
Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com


From knut.yrvin at digia.com  Mon Feb 25 15:01:41 2013
From: knut.yrvin at digia.com (Knut Yrvin)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:01:41 +0100
Subject: [Web] Reminder on Open Gov meeting tonight, 20 CET Monday 25 Feb
Message-ID: <1424339.nx1BWKqnVm@qt-station>

Hi, 

Just a small reminder on the Open Governance IRC meeting tonight 20 CET. 

Topic: Adding all the roles, actions, privacy and conflict resolution claws to 
the Open Governance charter: 
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Project_Web_Open_Governance

"Place": on IRC #qt-devnet-moderators on freenode network

Best regards

Knut Yrvin
--
Open Source Community Manager - Digia, Qt
Email:  knut.yrvin at digia.com - Mobile:  + 47 934 79 561
Visit us on: http://qt.digia.com



From sierdzio at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 11:12:43 2013
From: sierdzio at gmail.com (Tomasz Siekierda)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:12:43 +0100
Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt download
	page
Message-ID: <CAJb_6047NksDH42qULH=c4Veu9qA_q2XR8j8f-XH3jrd-f70fA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

as seen in https://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/25260/#116139 and
several similar threads, there are many people who think Qt will install
everything for them automatically.

This is of course not the case, and for good reasons. I feel problem can be
solved by simply adding information about dependencies to the Downloads
page.

I have created a stub wiki article based on "building Qt5 from git". You
can link to it from Downloads page or do anything else you see fit.

Here's the link to my new wiki:
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt5_dependenciesFeel free to change/ expand
it.

Cheers,
sierdzio
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From Kai.Koehne at digia.com  Thu Feb 28 11:45:46 2013
From: Kai.Koehne at digia.com (Koehne Kai)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:45:46 +0000
Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
 download	page
In-Reply-To: <CAJb_6047NksDH42qULH=c4Veu9qA_q2XR8j8f-XH3jrd-f70fA@mail.gmail.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: web-bounces+kai.koehne=digia.com at qt-project.org [mailto:web-
> bounces+kai.koehne=digia.com at qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
> Siekierda
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:13 AM
> To: web at qt-project.org
> Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
> download page
> 
> Hi,
> 
> as seen in https://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/25260/#116139 and
> several similar threads, there are many people who think Qt will install
> everything for them automatically.
> 
> This is of course not the case, and for good reasons. I feel problem can be
> solved by simply adding information about dependencies to the Downloads
> page.
> 
> I have created a stub wiki article based on "building Qt5 from git". You can link
> to it from Downloads page or do anything else you see fit.

Hi Tomasz, 

Thanks for the initiative. However, most of the dependencies listed (ICU, xcb-dev*...) shouldn't really be needed for the binary packages. Since it's a wiki I took the initiative and just removed the sections ...

 - The full story about xcb is actually that we require only libX11-xcb.so.1, libxcb.so.1 at runtime. But these libraries should really be available on most systems by default this days. If your system doesn’t have the libs, then I'm afraid just 'installing' all of xcb won't help you either, since the x11 server itself has to be compiled with xcb support).

- for ICU, we ship the needed libs in the bin folder. Just use them.

Regards

Kai

> Here's the link to my new wiki: http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt5_dependencies
> Feel free to change/ expand it.
> 
> Cheers,
> sierdzio

From sierdzio at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 11:55:37 2013
From: sierdzio at gmail.com (Tomasz Siekierda)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:55:37 +0100
Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
 download page
In-Reply-To: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0866DEC@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
References: <CAJb_6047NksDH42qULH=c4Veu9qA_q2XR8j8f-XH3jrd-f70fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0866DEC@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
Message-ID: <CAJb_607kvHHaPfSt21-qo049TW7J-mobuROnVgPNweLpZ_o=Mw@mail.gmail.com>

On 28 February 2013 11:45, Koehne Kai <Kai.Koehne at digia.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the initiative.

Thanks for a quick answer in return :)

>  - The full story about xcb is actually that we require only libX11-xcb.so.1, libxcb.so.1 at runtime. But these libraries should really be available on most systems by default this days. If your system doesn’t have the libs, then I'm afraid just 'installing' all of xcb won't help you either, since the x11 server itself has to be compiled with xcb support).

Isn't mesa/ OpenGL driver also needed? And stuff like libicu libxslt (non-dev)?

> - for ICU, we ship the needed libs in the bin folder. Just use them.

OK, I didn't know that, I'm usually compiling from source :) And with
"Building Qt5 from git" it always just works.

Have a good day,
sierdzio


From Kai.Koehne at digia.com  Thu Feb 28 12:14:03 2013
From: Kai.Koehne at digia.com (Koehne Kai)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:14:03 +0000
Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
 download page
In-Reply-To: <CAJb_607kvHHaPfSt21-qo049TW7J-mobuROnVgPNweLpZ_o=Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJb_6047NksDH42qULH=c4Veu9qA_q2XR8j8f-XH3jrd-f70fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0866DEC@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
	<CAJb_607kvHHaPfSt21-qo049TW7J-mobuROnVgPNweLpZ_o=Mw@mail.gmail.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: web-bounces+kai.koehne=digia.com at qt-project.org [mailto:web-
> bounces+kai.koehne=digia.com at qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
> Siekierda
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:56 AM
> To: Koehne Kai
> Cc: web at qt-project.org
> Subject: Re: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
> download page
> 
> On 28 February 2013 11:45, Koehne Kai <Kai.Koehne at digia.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for the initiative.
> 
> Thanks for a quick answer in return :)
> 
> >  - The full story about xcb is actually that we require only libX11-xcb.so.1,
> libxcb.so.1 at runtime. But these libraries should really be available on most
> systems by default this days. If your system doesn’t have the libs, then I'm
> afraid just 'installing' all of xcb won't help you either, since the x11 server
> itself has to be compiled with xcb support).
> 
> Isn't mesa/ OpenGL driver also needed? And stuff like libicu libxslt (non-
> dev)?

I guess libicu, libxcb should be there on most systems by default, as well an OpenGL driver. It really depends on the distribution/version that you're trying :) But AFAIK one can install Qt on a stock Ubuntu 11.0 without any additional dependencies except for the build-essentials. 

Other distributions might need something - but since it's usually very specific to the distribution I think this should be added when one bumps into it.

If there's something people run often into we can also add  a check to the installer, and show a warning if e.g. g++ isn't found in the PATH.

Regards

Kai

> > - for ICU, we ship the needed libs in the bin folder. Just use them.
> 
> OK, I didn't know that, I'm usually compiling from source :) And with "Building
> Qt5 from git" it always just works.
> 
> Have a good day,
> sierdzio
> _______________________________________________
> Web mailing list
> Web at qt-project.org
> http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/web

From sierdzio at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 12:38:00 2013
From: sierdzio at gmail.com (Tomasz Siekierda)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:38:00 +0100
Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
 download page
In-Reply-To: <5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0866E35@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
References: <CAJb_6047NksDH42qULH=c4Veu9qA_q2XR8j8f-XH3jrd-f70fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0866DEC@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
	<CAJb_607kvHHaPfSt21-qo049TW7J-mobuROnVgPNweLpZ_o=Mw@mail.gmail.com>
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>> Isn't mesa/ OpenGL driver also needed? And stuff like libicu libxslt (non-
>> dev)?
>
> I guess libicu, libxcb should be there on most systems by default, as well an OpenGL driver. It really depends on the distribution/version that you're trying :) But AFAIK one can install Qt on a stock Ubuntu 11.0 without any additional dependencies except for the build-essentials.
>
> Other distributions might need something - but since it's usually very specific to the distribution I think this should be added when one bumps into it.
>
> If there's something people run often into we can also add  a check to the installer, and show a warning if e.g. g++ isn't found in the PATH.

Either that (IIRC, Nokia SDK did check for g++), or add some paragraph
with explanation to qt-project.org/downloads. It might be all obvious
for us, but some newbies are really struggling sometimes. And there
are lots of new people coming to Qt, at least judging from my reading
of the forums.


From leon at anavi.org  Thu Feb 28 12:49:05 2013
From: leon at anavi.org (Leon Anavi)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:49:05 +0200
Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
 download page
In-Reply-To: <CAJb_6051TaRxFfEFc_3HYFCYbuorAucaBvc+rBLGBMTL3-Mo0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJb_6047NksDH42qULH=c4Veu9qA_q2XR8j8f-XH3jrd-f70fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0866DEC@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
	<CAJb_607kvHHaPfSt21-qo049TW7J-mobuROnVgPNweLpZ_o=Mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B2736A3C8B75B4BB66BC58DC5E889B0866E35@IT-EXMB01-HKI.it.local>
	<CAJb_6051TaRxFfEFc_3HYFCYbuorAucaBvc+rBLGBMTL3-Mo0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <866295be1f5b7ebf676ae4be94de2122@anavi.org>

Hi All,

> It might be all obvious
> for us, but some newbies are really struggling sometimes. And there
> are lots of new people coming to Qt, at least judging from my reading
> of the forums.

I agree. The download and the installation of the SDK is the first 
impression that Qt makes to newbies and it is very important. An 
inexperienced student might decide not to use Qt just because of a minor 
issue during the installation.

Thanks,
Leon

On 2013-02-28 13:38, Tomasz Siekierda wrote:
>>> Isn't mesa/ OpenGL driver also needed? And stuff like libicu libxslt 
>>> (non-
>>> dev)?
>> 
>> I guess libicu, libxcb should be there on most systems by default, as 
>> well an OpenGL driver. It really depends on the distribution/version 
>> that you're trying :) But AFAIK one can install Qt on a stock Ubuntu 
>> 11.0 without any additional dependencies except for the 
>> build-essentials.
>> 
>> Other distributions might need something - but since it's usually 
>> very specific to the distribution I think this should be added when 
>> one bumps into it.
>> 
>> If there's something people run often into we can also add  a check 
>> to the installer, and show a warning if e.g. g++ isn't found in the 
>> PATH.
> 
> Either that (IIRC, Nokia SDK did check for g++), or add some paragraph
> with explanation to qt-project.org/downloads. It might be all obvious
> for us, but some newbies are really struggling sometimes. And there
> are lots of new people coming to Qt, at least judging from my reading
> of the forums.
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From Kai.Koehne at digia.com  Thu Feb 28 12:59:01 2013
From: Kai.Koehne at digia.com (Koehne Kai)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:59:01 +0000
Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
 download page
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: web-bounces+kai.koehne=digia.com at qt-project.org [mailto:web-
> bounces+kai.koehne=digia.com at qt-project.org] On Behalf Of Leon Anavi
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:49 PM
> To: web at qt-project.org
> Subject: Re: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
> download page
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> > It might be all obvious
> > for us, but some newbies are really struggling sometimes. And there
> > are lots of new people coming to Qt, at least judging from my reading
> > of the forums.
> 
> I agree. The download and the installation of the SDK is the first impression
> that Qt makes to newbies and it is very important. An inexperienced student
> might decide not to use Qt just because of a minor issue during the
> installation.

Sure, but IMO  the Downloads page isn't the right place. Let's keep this clean and mean so that you can actually find stuff :) We ship a README in every binary installer, maybe we can extend that by information on where to get the compiler ...

Regards

Kai


From sierdzio at gmail.com  Thu Feb 28 13:14:42 2013
From: sierdzio at gmail.com (Tomasz Siekierda)
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:14:42 +0100
Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
 download page
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>> > It might be all obvious
>> > for us, but some newbies are really struggling sometimes. And there
>> > are lots of new people coming to Qt, at least judging from my reading
>> > of the forums.
>>
>> I agree. The download and the installation of the SDK is the first impression
>> that Qt makes to newbies and it is very important. An inexperienced student
>> might decide not to use Qt just because of a minor issue during the
>> installation.
>
> Sure, but IMO  the Downloads page isn't the right place. Let's keep this clean and mean so that you can actually find stuff :) We ship a README in every binary installer, maybe we can extend that by information on where to get the compiler ...

I'm afraid we are facing a generation of web-only people. Reading
READMEs is the absolute last resort for many ;) People expect that
installer will do everything automatically for them. Might be
shocking, but that is what modern OSes and smartfones teach - "we will
do it all in the background, don't you worry". Times when you had to
spend 2 days to assemble your PC and then install the OS + set it up
correctly with all the drivers are gone.

Anyway, it's your call. Do what you judge to be right.


From andre at familiesomers.nl  Thu Feb 28 17:15:18 2013
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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:15:18 +0100
Subject: [Web] Suggestion to include info about dependencies on Qt
 download page
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Op 28-2-2013 12:49, Leon Anavi schreef:
> Hi All,
>
>> It might be all obvious
>> for us, but some newbies are really struggling sometimes. And there
>> are lots of new people coming to Qt, at least judging from my reading
>> of the forums.
> I agree. The download and the installation of the SDK is the first
> impression that Qt makes to newbies and it is very important. An
> inexperienced student might decide not to use Qt just because of a minor
> issue during the installation.
I very much agree. In that sense, I really miss the SDK with the updater 
and all that jazz. It was quite convenient also to distribute the right 
package to developers in a team. If possible at all, we should get that 
working again, also for the open source edition. I do think Digia 
maintains something like it for the commercial version.

Don't underestimate the value of easy entry either. If people get 
familiar with the framework easily, they are also likely to introduce it 
at other places they end up working. I have done so in the past myself.

André




From thiago.macieira at intel.com  Tue Feb 19 20:32:35 2013
From: thiago.macieira at intel.com (Thiago Macieira)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:32:35 -0000
Subject: [Web] Giving the split source packages the visibility they're due
Message-ID: <2166380.Vg8y5yOLQZ@tjmaciei-mobl2>

To web@:

The download page does not list at all the split packages, even though they're 
the official way of building Qt from sources. I'd like to request that the 
webpage be modified to list the split sources first and foremost.

Linking to the grouped sources should come after a notice saying "as a 
convenience for downloading and for building the full Qt release, the source 
packages are grouped in the following packages".

To dev@:

Please remember that everything in the qtsdk.git and qt5.git modules is 
optional and, therefore, nothing more than a convenience. Everything in our 
releases must work without them and be documented as if they did not exist.

-- 
Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com
  Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center
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