[Development] Qt 5.1 installers ready for testing

[Mark]

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Axel Waggershauser <awagger at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Mark <markg85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I much prefer OpenGL. I've seen plenty of bugs caused by angle (like
>> no multisampling which is still an open issue and reported) that made
>> me switch to Qt 5.1 builds with OpenGL native. Also imho ANGLE is just
>> a lame excuse to be able to use OpenGL "properly" because the native
>> OpenGL is poorly supported by the driver vendors.
>
> I don't why this is a "lame excuse", it helps people, given the state
> of OpenGL on Windows. It solves a real problem.
>
You're right. It solves a problem. So in that case it is an absolute
need to have for end users. However, ANGLE itself should not have a
reason to exist if the drivers where working like they should.
>
>> The problem is them, the driver vendors, aka AMD, Nvidia en Intel with
>> heavy emphasis on AMD. They (especially AMD) neglect to make decently
>> working OpenGL drivers and they should be heavily pushed to fix their
>> crap. ANGLE should not need to exist.
>
> I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one (having been in direct
> contact with AMD folks a while ago to have them fix a bunch of bugs in
> their GLSL compiler, so I tried the pushing). But considering the
> origin of ANGLE (Google), I doubt the idea of "heavily pushing" AMD to
> fix stuff is not going to go anywhere, otherwise Google would probably
> have done it. Besides, even if the next driver is 100% compliant, this
> won't help 90% of their installed base over the next 1-3 years,
> because "your mom (TM)" will hardly every get around to upgrade her
> OpenGL driver.
>
>
>> I think Qt shouldn't provide an ANGLE build by default but have a
>> runtime option to use it. Optional and not enabled by default.
>
> Runtime option: +1, ANGLE based Qt build as long as this is not
> available: +1. Why "shouldn't" it be build by default?

As said before. Vendors should be motivated to fix bugs. Having ANGLE
in place makes fixing bugs a less important priority.
You could even continue this reasoning and say (as a driver vendor):
"Kill OpenGL out of our driver and install ANGLE by default"...
>
>  - Axel