[Development] Speeding up the review process (was: PostgreSQL cross compile for Pi)

[Alexander Nassian]

I agree with all of your points except the one where you reject the fear model. Just a single very simple example: Try to download Qt.

You can buy the commercial license right from the home page, but in order to get the OSS version you have to click through numerous pages and have to search for the right links.

When you managed to get right before the download the user is confronted with numerous arguments against the OSS version of them some are very vague if not to say false.

Other example: I had a talk with several representatives who for example told me that „it‘s impossible to use Qt OSS in medical or automotive scenarios and I *have to* buy a license“. That‘s simply not true and shocked me even more.

I could also bring two examples from my personal contact to TQC but I don‘t think thats a thing for a public mailing list. If you are interested, we could talk about this in a private conversation.

These are just two examples from the last 1-2 years and there is always something new that encurages my view on the situation and it feels more and more like the OSS version is just a tumor on the feet of TQC.

My wishes would be that TQC makes either a clear statement that OSS is an equal option (and treat it like this), or be so honest and drop it. But this situation feels very embarassing to me.

And please don‘t get me wrong. I do respect your work at TQC, I do respect hat for you there must be a source of income, but there is are ways to achieve this without that bad habits that established the last 1-2 years.


Beste Grüße / Best regards,
Alexander Nassian

> Am 13.10.2017 um 15:15 schrieb Jake Petroules <Jake.Petroules at qt.io>:
> 
> Thank you for addressing this point, Andy.
> 
> I also want to respond to Alex's other comment, "Let the community do the work and squeeze all customers and force them to use commercial licensing by using fear..."
> 
> First of all, look at the project statistics. The Qt Company is BY FAR the largest contributor to the Qt Project.
> 
> Secondly, we don't use "fear" to "force" customers to use commercial licensing. Each license grants a specific set of rights and privileges. If you're not willing or unable to abide by the terms of the Open Source licenses under which Qt is available, then you need to consider an alternative which provides a different set of rights and privileges that may be better suited for your use case, one of which is commercial licensing.
> 
> Also, please explain how The Qt Company will pay its expenses and its employees, who in turn need to pay their rent and other bills, etc., without a source of income. We're always looking for new ideas to expand our business model, so if we could get free money out of thin air, that would be quite excellent and we'd love for you to tell us how.
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Andy Shaw <andy.shaw at qt.io> wrote:
>> 
>> To make it clear, it is Viktor’s opinion here and he can state it but it does not mean that it is the representation of all of The Qt Company here. It was one point of a larger mail which he took the time to write because he wants to open a discussion about how we can improve the review process as a community. Ideas are naturally welcome and not all of them are going to be agreeable to everyone, and not all of them are going to be accepted moving forward either.
>> 
>> I personally don’t agree with the specific point made regarding where the contribution has come from as I believe that everyone should be treated equally when it comes to reviewing, just because you are or have been an employee of The Qt Company should not grant you any extra lenience when it comes to reviewing. As Eddie has already mentioned for his own sake, I also appreciate the feedback and the fact that someone is critically looking at my change. I may have been working with Qt for 17 years, but I still learn and I still make mistakes, my changes should be reviewed in exactly the same manner as anyone elses should be. I expect that and prefer it too.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> Fra: Development <development-bounces+andy.shaw=qt.io at qt-project.org> på vegne av Alexander Nassian <nassian at bitshift-dynamics.com>
>> Dato: fredag 13. oktober 2017 14.51
>> Til: Somers Andre <andre at familiesomers.nl>
>> Kopi: "development at qt-project.org" <development at qt-project.org>
>> Emne: Re: [Development] Speeding up the review process (was: PostgreSQL cross compile for Pi)
>> 
>> That shows exactly the mindset of the TQC administration. Let the community do the work and squeeze all customers and force them to use commercial licensing by using fear...
>> 
>> 
>> Beste Grüße / Best regards,
>> Alexander Nassian
>> 
>> 
>> Am 13.10.2017 um 14:46 schrieb André Somers <andre at familiesomers.nl>:
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>> 
>> 
>> Op 13/10/2017 om 13:04 schreef Viktor Engelmann:
>> 4. I don't think we need to be as paranoid towards contributions from our own employees as we need to be towards external contributions.
>> 
>> So much for open government...
>> 
>> André
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