[Development] Who is in charge of qt-project.org?

Tuukka Turunen tuukka.turunen at qt.io
Thu Nov 1 08:49:12 CET 2018


Hi Christian,

What comes to the mistake with the mailing list archive, we of course fix it. Meanwhile, use the workaround described by Andy: " It is there, but you have to go to http://lists.qt-project.org for now, it is being moved to a new server so at some point the https address will be back, but until then you need to use the http address."

What comes to the Qt Project, it is how Qt is developed - all the work done for Qt by The Qt Company is via the Qt Project. The website where this is best visible is: https://codereview.qt-project.org, also the mailing lists are with qt-project.org domain.

The reasons for not having a separate site for open-source Qt and commercial Qt are described quite well in this blog post from, 2014: http://blog.qt.io/blog/2014/08/06/defragmenting-qt-and-uniting-our-ecosystem/ 

The hosting foundation for Qt Project (a non-profit organization registered in Norway) is currently inoperable, costs of running the web servers, download systems etc of the Qt Project are paid directly by The Qt Company. 

Yours,

	Tuukka

´╗┐On 31/10/2018, 23.50, "Development on behalf of Christian Gagneraud" <development-bounces+tuukka.turunen=qt.io at qt-project.org on behalf of chgans at gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 05:28, Kain Vampire via Development
    <development at qt-project.org> wrote:
    >
    > WHAT A TWAT!
    >
    > P.S.
    >
    > Yes, feel free to ban me, it was worth it.
    
    Was it?
    
    You could have used the word 'idiot', at least it is not an insult to
    the feminine gender.
    You could have as well quoted which part of the message you didn't
    like. I'm taking you didn't like part 2.
    This was obviously a provocative statement, but it was not an insult.
    
    I still stand that the qt-projects.org domain should not be managed
    (directly or indirectly) by the Qt Company, there is a clear conflict
    of interest.
    Something that has been raised several times in the past (Check the
    mailing list archives about the captive/deceptive portal hat is/was
    the Qt's download page).
    lists.qt-projects.org has had issue for more than a month, and
    (suddenly) got resolved overnight.
    [Side note: http stopped to redirect to https, but https is still
    down, which means that https urls returned by search engine are
    broken. Whoever runs codereview.qt-project.org has access to a
    wildcard ssl certificate (*.qt-project.org), but it seems that whoever
    runs lists.qt-project.org doesn't.]
    
    As an experience, try to type "download qt" in you favorite search
    engine, and tell me what you get, here is my top results:
    https://www.qt.io/download
    https://www1.qt.io/offline-installers/
    https://download.qt.io/archive/qt/
    qt-project.org/downloads
    
    The interesting bit is that  qt-project.org/downloads redirects to
    https://www.qt.io/download.
    
    Basically, qt-projects.org is just a facade to qt.io, I think this is
    not healthy. There is no public expression of the "Qt Project".
    Concerning, the "Qt Project Hosting Foundation", i've found:
    https://wiki.qt.io/Qt-contributors-summit-2014-QtCS2104_Foundation
    https://investors.qt.io/governance/management/ (where it is mentioned
    that Tuukka Turunen is a "Chairman of the Board of Directors in the Qt
    Project Hosting Foundation")
    http://website.informer.com/Cristina+Hamley+Qt+Project+Hosting+Foundation.html
    
    
    Chris
    
    PS: I do not hate the Qt Company, nor do I hate anyone working for
    them. Without license, without money, there would be no "Qt Company",
    and without "Qt Company", the "Qt Project" would be substantially
    different. As a license owner and an OSS enthusiast I am thankful to
    the Qt Company and to all numerous direct and indirect "Qt Project"
    contributors.
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