[Development] Who is in charge of qt-project.org?

NIkolai Marchenko enmarantispam at gmail.com
Fri Nov 2 14:10:50 CET 2018 

(thiws was  originally sent only to Tuukka, resending)

I would also like to point out the mistrust you've created by proxy.
In believing your promises people have migrated projects at their jobs to
qbs.
Now they will be known as too hasty adopters of dead systems.
Not saying it will be the case for everyone but what you did *really* hurts
your early adopters in more than one way.

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:44 PM Tuukka Turunen <tuukka.turunen at qt.io> wrote:

>
> Exactly. We are very pleased if there are people who start to contribute
> to Qbs. So far it has been very little by others than employees of The Qt
> Company.
>
> We will continue maintaining Qbs so that it stays supported until end of
> 2019 and also release a new version in April 2019 as promised. Most likely
> Qbs remains usable a long time after support ends - even without anyone
> from the community working on it.
>
> This is a good opportunity for those interested in further developing Qbs
> to step up and start taking it forward. We can help with the reviews and
> provide the infrastructure. We can help even with new releases, if there is
> enough interest to develop it further.
>
> I do not think anyone questions the technical merits of Qbs over qmake or
> CMake. Qbs is better than these in many ways. For that reason we have kept
> on investing into it. But we also need to be realistic and think about what
> paying customers prefer. While we have some customers using Qbs, the use of
> CMake is much, much bigger. Both by the number of customers using it and by
> the size of the customers' usage.
>
> We probably should have opened the dialogue about the future of Qbs during
> the process of thinking about the options. This would have been good and
> fair towards the community. But it would not change the facts - it is an
> impossibly huge task to replace CMake with Qbs even within the Qt users,
> let alone outside of Qt.
>
> Yours,
>
>         Tuukka
>
> On 02/11/2018, 14.15, "Development on behalf of Martin Smith"
> <development-bounces+tuukka.turunen=qt.io at qt-project.org on behalf of
> Martin.Smith at qt.io> wrote:
>
>     >You've just dropped Qbs, what's next?
>     >I don't trust you anymore, nor the company-ies you represent -
> Nothing personal.
>     >I think that it is time for the qt-project.org domain to be handed
>     >back to the Qt Project community.
>
>     But "dropped Qbs" means The Qt Company won't be developing Qbs
> anymore, which means, effectively, Qbs is being handed to the Qt Project
> community.
>
>     martin
>
>     ________________________________________
>     From: Development <development-bounces+martin.smith=
> qt.io at qt-project.org> on behalf of Christian Gagneraud <chgans at gmail.com>
>     Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 1:08:34 PM
>     To: Lars Knoll
>     Cc: development at qt-project.org; v.ronin at yahoo.it
>     Subject: Re: [Development] Who is in charge of qt-project.org?
>
>     On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 at 23:55, Lars Knoll <lars.knoll at qt.io> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > On 2 Nov 2018, at 11:45, Christian Gagneraud <chgans at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>     >
>     > On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 22:25, Kain Vampire via Development
>     > <development at qt-project.org> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Hi,
>     > I have to apologise for my behaviour. While I still think Christian
> Gagneraud's attack on the Qt company abilities was unfair and uncalled for,
> it's not a justification for my actions.
>     > Creating an hostile environment is bad for the community and I
> should not have done it.
>     > It won't happen again,
>     > Regards,
>     > Luca
>     >
>     >
>     > Hi All,
>     >
>     > I would  like to apologise as well, my sarcasm and my provocation
> went
>     > uncontrolled.
>     > My fault, this was definitely not the most clever way to get things
> sorted.
>     > I'm looking forward HTTPS://lists.qt-project.org to be back online
> and
>     > would like to thanks everyone working on the matter.
>     >
>     >
>     > Thanks Chris and Luca.
>     >
>     > Getting lists.qt-project.org fixed is being worked on. I hope it’s
> won’t be too long.
>     >
>     > But there’s something to take away for TQtC as the party taking care
> of the infrastructure here. TQtC needs to establish some more pro-active
> monitoring of the infrastructure so that these things will get ideally get
> fixed before they become a problem next time. I’ll see what I can do to
> help getting that in place.
>
>     <big-warning message="not cool at all" apologies="you have been
>     warned, do not keep reading if you do not fell comfortable">
>
>     Hi Lars,
>
>     You've just dropped Qbs, what's next?
>     I don't trust you anymore, nor the company-ies you represent - Nothing
> personal.
>     I think that it is time for the qt-project.org domain to be handed
>     back to the Qt Project community.
>     I was reading a french article this morning
>     (https://linuxfr.org/news/fedora-29), i give you an inaccurate, but
>     syntactic and compact translation of the article introduction:
>
>     Fedora is a GNU/Linux distribution developed by the Fedora Project and
>     sponsored by Red Hat that provide them with developers, finance and
>     logistics.
>     Fedora can be seen as an open source technological show case of Red
>     Hat proprietary technology. (NDLR: Free and inaccurate translation, i
>     mean it)
>     => sold for 34 billions dollars
>
>     How do you fell about that? Do you see similarities?
>
>     Is the triple-licensed Qt stack an open source technological show case
>     of what the Qt Company has to offer?
>     </big-warning>
>
>     More seriously, yes, Fedora/RedHat  and
>     Qt/Project/Company/Digia/Nokia/Microsoft/TrollTech are different beast
>     (apple and oranges, yadi, yada, ...).
>     But I see similarities. (and i do not care about the 34 billions)
>
>     Chris
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