[Interest] Modern

Vlad Stelmahovsky vladstelmahovsky at gmail.com
Fri Dec 21 16:57:35 CET 2018


Nope, its only my guess based on short Dart code checking and some 
articles, how it works

Google definitely aware about Qt, but its huge, so..


On 12/21/18 4:41 PM, René Hansen wrote:
> Vlad, do you have a source saying QML was an inspiration for Flutter?
>
> I've recently talked with someone on the Flutter team, that literally 
> didn't even know QtQuick existed. At first I was sort of surprised, 
> but then again not really. I've talked with a lot of app developers, 
> where Qt isn't even on their radar.
>
>
> /René
>
>
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018, 16:03 Vlad Stelmahovsky, 
> <vladstelmahovsky at gmail.com <mailto:vladstelmahovsky at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I suppose he is just trolling community for whatever reason
>
>     and QML is sooo "outdated" that Google created Flutter, where QML
>     was an
>     inspiration, for my poi
>
>     br,
>
>     Vlad
>
>     On 12/20/18 3:23 PM, Nuno Santos wrote:
>     > Hey Roland,
>     >
>     > Sorry mate.. I couldn’t avoid...
>     >
>     > How are you writing UIs this days? What is modern to you?
>     >
>     > I consider myself young. I’m only 36. But I have been writing
>     software for the last 20 years.
>     >
>     > In the last 6 years I have written 4 different apps ALONE! One
>     of them was written 3 times. One in native iOS, then in native
>     Android and then in Qt Qml.
>     >
>     > Qml is by far the BEST way I have ever used to write a UI!
>     >
>     > UI code is glue, glue, glue. Every single other framework
>     requires so much code to do exactly the same things as with Qml.
>     >
>     > Qt/Qml allowed me to advance at least 5x faster than any other
>     UI framework.
>     >
>     > Is perfect? Nothing is perfect! There is are always pros/cons.
>     >
>     > Any way... for me, Qml in terms of UI writing is so modern that
>     stands that easily stands from any other technology around.
>     >
>     > I want to express my gratitude to the WHOLE Qt team to make it
>     possible! You guys rock! Qt Quick is definitely one of the best
>     things around there.
>     >
>     > Best regards,
>     >
>     > --
>     > Nuno Santos
>     > Founder / CEO / CTO
>     > www.imaginando.pt <http://www.imaginando.pt>
>     >
>     > No dia 20/12/2018, às 13:26, Roland Hughes
>     <roland at logikalsolutions.com <mailto:roland at logikalsolutions.com>>
>     escreveu:
>     >
>     >> It's still not modern.
>     >>
>     >> Modern implies "something which learned from past mistakes to
>     overcome many of them." When something recent fails we simply call
>     it "a new approach" implying that it failed, generally beyond
>     human comprehension. Modern implies something succeed in
>     overcoming many/most/all of the pitfalls/travesties/tragedies
>     which came before.
>     >>
>     >> The latter does not apply to QML.
>     >>
>     >> Newer isn't better, just newer.
>     >>
>     >> Some "light" reading.
>     >>
>     >>
>     https://www.cbinsights.com/research/corporate-innovation-product-fails/
>     >>
>     >> How many of you writing idiot phone apps know their used to be
>     a Facebook Phone? A Ubuntu Phone? There even used to be an Apple
>     Newton.
>     >>
>     >> Now that pretty much every industry analyst agrees the fad of
>     idiot phones are over and that 2019 will be the first year of
>     negative growth for the industry, scripted UIs will die off with
>     them. Five years from now people will think about QML as often as
>     you currently think about the Apple Newton.
>     >>
>     >> More light reading:
>     >>
>     >>
>     http://www.interestingauthors.com/blog/thankyousirmayihaveanother/the-counter-culture-has-won/
>     >>
>     >> Hopefully you all read far enough in the first link to read
>     about Amazon's colossal failure, The Fire Phone. Even I didn't
>     know Microsoft tried to market a "smart watch" in 2004. That thing
>     must have only been on the market a few minutes!
>     >>
>     >> Be sure to scroll down to #35. Microsoft Kin One and Kin Two.
>     Discontinued after 6 weeks. No wonder I'd never heard about this
>     wanna-be Blackberry.
>     >>
>     >> Oh, from your own link
>     >>
>     >> /Although it was built in the 1600s, the building still has a
>     very *modern* look./
>     >>
>     >> /
>     >> /
>     >>
>     >>> On 12/19/2018 12:33 PM, Ian Trick wrote:
>     >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:15 AM Roland Hughes
>     >>> <roland at logikalsolutions.com
>     <mailto:roland at logikalsolutions.com>> wrote:
>     >>>> QML is __NOT__ modern.
>     >>> modern: Pertaining to a current or recent time and style; not
>     ancient.
>     >>>
>     >>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/modern
>     >>>
>     >>> 🤔
>     >>>
>     >>>>>> On 17 Dec 2018, at 16:44, Fabrice
>     Salvaire<fabrice.salvaire at orange.fr
>     <mailto:fabrice.salvaire at orange.fr>> wrote:
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Dear Qt users,
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Is there people around who needed to hack QQuickTextNode
>     private API ? IMHO it restricts strongly the possibility to
>     develop modern custom QML items.
>     >> --
>     >> Roland Hughes, President
>     >> Logikal Solutions
>     >> (630) 205-1593
>     >>
>     >> http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com
>     >> http://www.infiniteexposure.net
>     >> http://www.johnsmith-book.com
>     >> http://www.logikalblog.com
>     >> http://www.interestingauthors.com/blog
>     >> http://lesedi.us
>     >>
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