[Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

[Sylvain Pointeau]

I cannot get it copied in the email, but the code in the section get
started has no "new" but I agree with you that it is not "declarative"

The positive points about flutter is that it is free, and intellij (IDEA)
is so great.
However, it feels too young, and limited to mobile (some are saying that
the desktop is coming, but nothing concrete yet)

react native (via react xp) seems to be a better alternative for now.

Best regards,
Sylvain


Le mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 19:43, Jason H <jhihn at gmx.com> a écrit :

> It's still on the home page: https://flutter.io/ "Fast Development"
> I operate on the "read at least the first page" premise. That whatever
> they think is most important should be found there.
>
> But losing new doesn't really change my opinion of if it's declarative or
> not.
>
> Thanks for the update/correction though.
>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 1:34 PM
> *From:* "Sylvain Pointeau" <sylvain.pointeau at gmail.com>
> *To:* "Qt Project" <interest at qt-project.org>
> *Subject:* [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter
> the "new" is now removed in dart 2.0 so you example is outdated.
>
>
> ---------- Message transféré ---------
> De : Jason H <jhihn at gmx.com>
> Date : mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 19:25
> Objet : Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter
> À : Bernhard B <schluchti at gmail.com>
> CC : <interest at lists.qt-project.org>
>
> I'm in your offtopic camp.
> Everything is going Declarative. I really hate that web devevlopment
> requires the use of HTML/CSS/JS (that's just client side) and some
> Framework of the Month. The JavaScript kiddies love inventing frameworks
> for fame and profit rather than picking one and making it better.
> Fragmentation is rampant. On top of that JS is slow to change, it just
> becomes a runtime that your flavor-of-the-month framework compiles down to,
> well until WebAssembly.
>
> Rene, I don't understand why you don't declare Flutter Declarative? From
> the Flutter home page:
> Widget build(BuildContext context) {
>   return new Scaffold (
>      appBar: new AppBar ( title: new Text (widget.title), ),
>      body: new Center (
>         child: new Text( "Button clicked" ...
>              ),
>      ),
> }
>
> Good luck typing 'new' and 'return' a lot. At least QML manages that for
> you. QML is the sleekest of all the declarative languages.
>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 12:55 PM
> *From:* "Bernhard B" <schluchti at gmail.com>
> *To:* "Bob Hood" <bhood2 at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* "René Hansen" <renehh at gmail.com>, "Jason H" <jhihn at gmx.com>,
> interest at lists.qt-project.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter
> > I've been studying it for a while now, and I've decided that it will
> likely be
> my mobile development language.  I love Qt to death for desktop, but I've
> never been able to take to it's declarative approach.  I know others swear
> by
> it, but it just never fit my brain waves for some reason.
>
> <offtopic>
> I guess I am one of those persons, who absolutely LOVE Qt's declarative
> language.
> I like QML so much, that I even started looking for QML -> HTML/CSS
> translators. While I really like QML,
> I absolutely hate HTML and CSS (never got used to its quirks). I mean
> there are some attempts like
> qmlcore (https://github.com/pureqml/qmlcore), but I haven't tried those
> yet.
> </offtopic>
>
> Am Di., 19. Feb. 2019 um 18:47 Uhr schrieb Bob Hood <bhood2 at comcast.net>:
>
>> On 2/18/2019 7:40 AM, René Hansen wrote:
>> > I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small things
>> with
>> > it a bit for now.
>> >
>> > Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with regards to
>> > developer experience. You're not locked to an IDE, like with QtCreator,
>> and
>> > the ui live updates across device, simulators, emulators etc. when you
>> write
>> > changes. No need to build and .apk and wait for a build+deploy.
>> >
>> > There's no JS involved. It's Dart all the way. It doesn't even ship
>> with a
>> > web runtime afaik.
>>
>> I've been studying it for a while now, and I've decided that it will
>> likely be
>> my mobile development language.  I love Qt to death for desktop, but I've
>> never been able to take to it's declarative approach.  I know others
>> swear by
>> it, but it just never fit my brain waves for some reason.
>>
>> I saw somebody in this thread moan about it being yet another language to
>> learn.  Putting aside the fact that a robust developer should know more
>> than
>> one, Dart is quite familiar to anybody who has used a modern scripting
>> language (e.g., Python).
>>
>> For me personally, Flutter's "feel" just fits mobile better in my mind
>> than Qt.
>>
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