[Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

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Qt is free, too. 

Am February 19, 2019 7:04:03 PM UTC schrieb Sylvain Pointeau <sylvain.pointeau at gmail.com>:
>I cannot get it copied in the email, but the code in the section get
>started has no "new" but I agree with you that it is not "declarative"
>
>The positive points about flutter is that it is free, and intellij
>(IDEA)
>is so great.
>However, it feels too young, and limited to mobile (some are saying
>that
>the desktop is coming, but nothing concrete yet)
>
>react native (via react xp) seems to be a better alternative for now.
>
>Best regards,
>Sylvain
>
>
>Le mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 19:43, Jason H <jhihn at gmx.com> a écrit :
>
>> It's still on the home page: https://flutter.io/ "Fast Development"
>> I operate on the "read at least the first page" premise. That
>whatever
>> they think is most important should be found there.
>>
>> But losing new doesn't really change my opinion of if it's
>declarative or
>> not.
>>
>> Thanks for the update/correction though.
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 1:34 PM
>> *From:* "Sylvain Pointeau" <sylvain.pointeau at gmail.com>
>> *To:* "Qt Project" <interest at qt-project.org>
>> *Subject:* [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter
>> the "new" is now removed in dart 2.0 so you example is outdated.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Message transféré ---------
>> De : Jason H <jhihn at gmx.com>
>> Date : mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 19:25
>> Objet : Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter
>> À : Bernhard B <schluchti at gmail.com>
>> CC : <interest at lists.qt-project.org>
>>
>> I'm in your offtopic camp.
>> Everything is going Declarative. I really hate that web devevlopment
>> requires the use of HTML/CSS/JS (that's just client side) and some
>> Framework of the Month. The JavaScript kiddies love inventing
>frameworks
>> for fame and profit rather than picking one and making it better.
>> Fragmentation is rampant. On top of that JS is slow to change, it
>just
>> becomes a runtime that your flavor-of-the-month framework compiles
>down to,
>> well until WebAssembly.
>>
>> Rene, I don't understand why you don't declare Flutter Declarative?
>From
>> the Flutter home page:
>> Widget build(BuildContext context) {
>>   return new Scaffold (
>>      appBar: new AppBar ( title: new Text (widget.title), ),
>>      body: new Center (
>>         child: new Text( "Button clicked" ...
>>              ),
>>      ),
>> }
>>
>> Good luck typing 'new' and 'return' a lot. At least QML manages that
>for
>> you. QML is the sleekest of all the declarative languages.
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 12:55 PM
>> *From:* "Bernhard B" <schluchti at gmail.com>
>> *To:* "Bob Hood" <bhood2 at comcast.net>
>> *Cc:* "René Hansen" <renehh at gmail.com>, "Jason H" <jhihn at gmx.com>,
>> interest at lists.qt-project.org
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter
>> > I've been studying it for a while now, and I've decided that it
>will
>> likely be
>> my mobile development language.  I love Qt to death for desktop, but
>I've
>> never been able to take to it's declarative approach.  I know others
>swear
>> by
>> it, but it just never fit my brain waves for some reason.
>>
>> <offtopic>
>> I guess I am one of those persons, who absolutely LOVE Qt's
>declarative
>> language.
>> I like QML so much, that I even started looking for QML -> HTML/CSS
>> translators. While I really like QML,
>> I absolutely hate HTML and CSS (never got used to its quirks). I mean
>> there are some attempts like
>> qmlcore (https://github.com/pureqml/qmlcore), but I haven't tried
>those
>> yet.
>> </offtopic>
>>
>> Am Di., 19. Feb. 2019 um 18:47 Uhr schrieb Bob Hood
><bhood2 at comcast.net>:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2019 7:40 AM, René Hansen wrote:
>>> > I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small
>things
>>> with
>>> > it a bit for now.
>>> >
>>> > Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with
>regards to
>>> > developer experience. You're not locked to an IDE, like with
>QtCreator,
>>> and
>>> > the ui live updates across device, simulators, emulators etc. when
>you
>>> write
>>> > changes. No need to build and .apk and wait for a build+deploy.
>>> >
>>> > There's no JS involved. It's Dart all the way. It doesn't even
>ship
>>> with a
>>> > web runtime afaik.
>>>
>>> I've been studying it for a while now, and I've decided that it will
>>> likely be
>>> my mobile development language.  I love Qt to death for desktop, but
>I've
>>> never been able to take to it's declarative approach.  I know others
>>> swear by
>>> it, but it just never fit my brain waves for some reason.
>>>
>>> I saw somebody in this thread moan about it being yet another
>language to
>>> learn.  Putting aside the fact that a robust developer should know
>more
>>> than
>>> one, Dart is quite familiar to anybody who has used a modern
>scripting
>>> language (e.g., Python).
>>>
>>> For me personally, Flutter's "feel" just fits mobile better in my
>mind
>>> than Qt.
>>>
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