[Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter

Tue Feb 19 20:39:05 CET 2019

OK, i've no idea about how to deploy to mobile devices,
but what makes you think its not free?

Am February 19, 2019 7:30:23 PM UTC schrieb Sylvain Pointeau <sylvain.pointeau at gmail.com>:
>Qt is free on desktop, but it is not free on mobile, which is a real
>showstopper for me and many others.
>
>Le mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 20:12, ich <alex at golks.de> a écrit :
>
>> Qt is free, too.
>>
>> Am February 19, 2019 7:04:03 PM UTC schrieb Sylvain Pointeau <
>> sylvain.pointeau at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> I cannot get it copied in the email, but the code in the section get
>>> started has no "new" but I agree with you that it is not
>"declarative"
>>>
>>> The positive points about flutter is that it is free, and intellij
>(IDEA)
>>> is so great.
>>> However, it feels too young, and limited to mobile (some are saying
>that
>>> the desktop is coming, but nothing concrete yet)
>>>
>>> react native (via react xp) seems to be a better alternative for
>now.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sylvain
>>>
>>>
>>> Le mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 19:43, Jason H <jhihn at gmx.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> It's still on the home page: https://flutter.io/ "Fast Development"
>>>> I operate on the "read at least the first page" premise. That
>whatever
>>>> they think is most important should be found there.
>>>>
>>>> But losing new doesn't really change my opinion of if it's
>declarative
>>>> or not.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the update/correction though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 1:34 PM
>>>> *From:* "Sylvain Pointeau" <sylvain.pointeau at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* "Qt Project" <interest at qt-project.org>
>>>> *Subject:* [Interest] Fwd: vs. Flutter
>>>> the "new" is now removed in dart 2.0 so you example is outdated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Message transféré ---------
>>>> De : Jason H <jhihn at gmx.com>
>>>> Date : mar. 19 févr. 2019 à 19:25
>>>> Objet : Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter
>>>> À : Bernhard B <schluchti at gmail.com>
>>>> CC : <interest at lists.qt-project.org>
>>>>
>>>> I'm in your offtopic camp.
>>>> Everything is going Declarative. I really hate that web
>devevlopment
>>>> requires the use of HTML/CSS/JS (that's just client side) and some
>>>> Framework of the Month. The JavaScript kiddies love inventing
>frameworks
>>>> for fame and profit rather than picking one and making it better.
>>>> Fragmentation is rampant. On top of that JS is slow to change, it
>just
>>>> becomes a runtime that your flavor-of-the-month framework compiles
>down to,
>>>> well until WebAssembly.
>>>>
>>>> Rene, I don't understand why you don't declare Flutter Declarative?
>From
>>>> the Flutter home page:
>>>> Widget build(BuildContext context) {
>>>>   return new Scaffold (
>>>>      appBar: new AppBar ( title: new Text (widget.title), ),
>>>>      body: new Center (
>>>>         child: new Text( "Button clicked" ...
>>>>              ),
>>>>      ),
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> Good luck typing 'new' and 'return' a lot. At least QML manages
>that for
>>>> you. QML is the sleekest of all the declarative languages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 12:55 PM
>>>> *From:* "Bernhard B" <schluchti at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* "Bob Hood" <bhood2 at comcast.net>
>>>> *Cc:* "René Hansen" <renehh at gmail.com>, "Jason H" <jhihn at gmx.com>,
>>>> interest at lists.qt-project.org
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Interest] vs. Flutter
>>>> > I've been studying it for a while now, and I've decided that it
>will
>>>> likely be
>>>> my mobile development language.  I love Qt to death for desktop,
>but I've
>>>> never been able to take to it's declarative approach.  I know
>others
>>>> swear by
>>>> it, but it just never fit my brain waves for some reason.
>>>>
>>>> <offtopic>
>>>> I guess I am one of those persons, who absolutely LOVE Qt's
>declarative
>>>> language.
>>>> I like QML so much, that I even started looking for QML -> HTML/CSS
>>>> translators. While I really like QML,
>>>> I absolutely hate HTML and CSS (never got used to its quirks). I
>mean
>>>> there are some attempts like
>>>> qmlcore (https://github.com/pureqml/qmlcore), but I haven't tried
>those
>>>> yet.
>>>> </offtopic>
>>>>
>>>> Am Di., 19. Feb. 2019 um 18:47 Uhr schrieb Bob Hood
><bhood2 at comcast.net
>>>> >:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/18/2019 7:40 AM, René Hansen wrote:
>>>>> > I've not come across any myself, and have only built a few small
>>>>> things with
>>>>> > it a bit for now.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Initial reactions was that it is *leagues* ahead of Qt with
>regards to
>>>>> > developer experience. You're not locked to an IDE, like with
>>>>> QtCreator, and
>>>>> > the ui live updates across device, simulators, emulators etc.
>when
>>>>> you write
>>>>> > changes. No need to build and .apk and wait for a build+deploy.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There's no JS involved. It's Dart all the way. It doesn't even
>ship
>>>>> with a
>>>>> > web runtime afaik.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been studying it for a while now, and I've decided that it
>will
>>>>> likely be
>>>>> my mobile development language.  I love Qt to death for desktop,
>but
>>>>> I've
>>>>> never been able to take to it's declarative approach.  I know
>others
>>>>> swear by
>>>>> it, but it just never fit my brain waves for some reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw somebody in this thread moan about it being yet another
>language
>>>>> to
>>>>> learn.  Putting aside the fact that a robust developer should know
>more
>>>>> than
>>>>> one, Dart is quite familiar to anybody who has used a modern
>scripting
>>>>> language (e.g., Python).
>>>>>
>>>>> For me personally, Flutter's "feel" just fits mobile better in my
>mind
>>>>> than Qt.
>>>>>
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