[Interest] The willy-nilly deletion of convenience methods (was: Mixing Commercial and Open...)

[Roland Hughes]

On 3/21/21 12:11 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Jason H wrote:
>
>> I anticipate that 5.15 will require a doubly long LTS period as a
>> result.
> Unfortunately we learnt here that 5.15 will not have any LTS period
> at all, at least not one that matters for the Open Source world.
>
> This is, basically, the end of Qt (considering Qt 6 probably won’t
> be entering Debian either, at least not with the current maintainers).
>
> bye,
> //mirabilos

You know, I made that prediction back in February. It was followed by a 
chortle

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Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt 6 Ubuntu package

On 31/1/21 12:09 AM, Roland Hughes wrote:

> If history repeats itself, and in the software industry it most
> definitely does, requiring a login to obtain the OpenSource code
> effectively ended OpenSource Qt.

really?
I guess maybe 'git clonehttp://code.qt.io/qt/qt5.git'
is a bit too much to ask for open source developers to type.

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That chortle was followed by a Guffaw.

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05.02.2021, 12:32, "Lorn Potter" <lorn.potter at gmail.com>:
> On 31/1/21 12:09 AM, Roland Hughes wrote:
>>   If history repeats itself, and in the software industry it most
>>   definitely does, requiring a login to obtain the OpenSource code
>>   effectively ended OpenSource Qt.
> really?
> I guess maybe 'git clonehttp://code.qt.io/qt/qt5.git'
> is a bit too much to ask for open source developers to type.
Or https://download.qt.io/archive/qt/.

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I concur. Qt OpenSource is basically dead. That was the intent of all 
the moves. It's time for DVorak to pull out the keyboard and write an 
essay on Qt.

https://dvorak.org/whatever/

Without a maintainer it will either disappear from the Debian flock 
within a year or it will become like that Juffed editor that seems to be 
a zombie in all the repos. If you install it your Qt build environment 
and other Qt based applications break. Even with that, the thing usually 
won't open and edit something. Last updated in 2013 on SourceForge.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/juffed/

Still found in almost every Debian based repo. Been breaking things bad 
for years.

KDE will then be forced out of the Debian repos as well or just stay in 
whatever state it is with no distro actually supporting KDE desktop.

If you need slightly newer Qt, Manjaro has slightly newer Qt stuff. You 
just won't be able to build a Debian package or have your code run many 
places unless you are going to package the Qt libraries with your 
application.

As Jason said, nobody is targeting Qt 6.

The industrial control, set-top box, and medical device market that has 
already left have been telling me they aren't coming back. Why would 
they? Been too much pain over the past couple of years. Too many methods 
just disappearing without even asking the market if they are in use.

What was it? About 25 years? Not a bad run for software. Clipper only 
made it 12.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_(programming_language)

Everything the market is telling me now though is that Qt is headed off 
for the Commodore Amiga and WordsStar realm. Small group of really rabid 
fans.

For many the last straw was what Jason pointed out. Qt 6 was shoved out 
the door to chase license revenue no matter the condition of it.

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