[Interest] List traffic disappearing?
roland at logikalsolutions.com
Mon Sep 13 16:27:14 CEST 2021
On 8/21/21 5:00 AM, Bernhard Lindner wrote:
> Also one special person was banned from the list. He surely started a lot of controversies
> and even fights but he was also responsibly for a significant part of the trafic:-)
> Personally, I generally lost interest in Qt because I am not target audience of Qt
> anymore. But I have no idea if other people feel this way as well.
As far as I know not banned, just no reason to post. Qtc has achieved
its goal of getting Qt banned at most medical device companies. Been
involved in a lot of discussions about where everything is going now.
One client had full contract from design through FDA testing and
manufacturing with a deep pocket client they had created devices for
previously. When they finished the electronic board design files they
told the client they wanted to use Qt for the software. That was it.
Client took the files and cancelled the entire project. Many many
millions went out the door at the mere mention of using Qt.
Another end client recently finished proof-of-concept clinical trials
outside of the U.S. where they didn't adhere to any FDA development
standards. It was a non-invasive device so they could play a little fast
and loose. They had used Qt on a Raspberry Pi to mock things up for the
proof-of-concept. I told them through the service company to not even
look at Qt for production, but they scheduled some chats with Qtc anyway.
"Those guys are crazy!"
Actual quote from them. Qt is no longer under consideration for any
current or future devices.
All of the deep pocket customers have listened to the license roulette
shenanigans and the answer to nearly ever license question on this list
being "meet with your sales rep in a dark alley so they can club you and
take all your money."
Earlier this year when this patient killing bug
jacked up another medical device, more than a decade after it was
discovered and more than eight years after people started pointing out
the disconnect() wasn't actually disconnecting the QFile object was the
absolute last straw for most. Yes, it is supposedly closed now, but too
little too late. Nobody is going to allow Qt to be used on anything new.
Mentioning you have a Qt license or want to use Qt makes you a pariah in
I haven't spoken to the them directly, but there is talk some of the
Risk Management personnel at more than one company are putting together
a citizen petition for the FDA.
Will set heavy regulations for software being sold into medical
device/systems development with significant punitive, possibly clinical
damages for vendors selling software into this market allowing patient
killing bugs to exist for longer than 60 days after reporting. The
definition of "patient killing bug" to be any bug tied to a race or
abend condition like a seg-fault, stack dump, unhandled exception, etc.
I haven't been watching the list very closely
so I haven't seen it pop up yet. Of course the trouble with that
database is that it is the central repository for proposed federal
regulations, not just the FDA.
It's not just Qtc. Lots of places are trying to sell OpenSource into a
SAFETY environment without creating a SAFETY quality version. Versions
of the discussion have been going on since 2000
and standards get routinely updated.
The 2011 regulation just isn't covering everything anymore.
So, to answer the question, all of the contractors and developers who
worked for/width medical-device-in-a-box type companies who used to
frequent here, aren't using Qt anymore. Risk Management teams have
deemed use of Qt too high of a legal liability were a wrongful death or
other class action suit to go to trial. Having abend (known as patient
killing) type bugs in the bug database for years pretty much does the
work for the opposing legal team. Most people on a jury don't write
software for a living. They just hear that this list of bugs, any one of
which could kill their loved one in the right medical device, has been
known to exist for over N-years and the tool was used anyway.
Roland Hughes, President
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