[PySide] PySide Newbie Tutorials

Wed Apr 3 13:52:59 CEST 2013

oh, its out of date true enough. It still remains the best text I know of.

My main point was the approach where he did cover basics of Python so while you would be better off having other sources the book did stand on its own. IMO a newbie tutorial set is better at being self contained in this fashion than either assuming a knowledge of Python or sending the user elsewhere. I understand the desire to not duplicate effort, and it wouldn't be to teach Python per se, just to provide sufficient basis for the tutorial. Again, IMO, this important for something seen as a newbie tutorial.

I didn't see it directly referenced on the page I linked, but I remember reading a statement by him about doing it for PySide and roughly his response was that PyQt and PySide were similar enough you could get by with the present book and he lacked the time (other commitments) to address it. Perhaps if he was persuaded to do a Python and Qt5 book it would be enough different to be seen as worth his while.

Tim Doty
On Apr 3, 2013, at 4:02 AM, šãñ <niceguysan at gmail.com> wrote:

> well, I have found Yasin's tutorial on Model View programming a lot better than the ones refer in Mark Summerfield's book. Also the book is older edition , and many new things were introduced later like QFileSystemModel etc...
> 
> Last time I talked to Mark a month back, he had no plans for a new edition. however it could have been nice if he or someone contribute in going over different areas giving focus to PySide.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Algis Kabaila <akabaila at pcug.org.au> wrote:
> Tim,
>  
> You wrote:
> > Mark Summerfield's excellent book "Rapid GUI Programming with Python and > Qt" (http://www.qtrac.eu/pyqtbook.html) doesn't dwell on basics, but it
> > does cover things.
>  
> I want to second that. An extract from the "simple editor" tutorial of PyQt that I wrote some years ago has this statement:
>  
> """Have I mentioned that all that I know about PyQt I have learned from an excellent text "Rapid GUI Programming with Python and Qt" by Mark Summerfield? Well, I mention it now - it is a great text book. This tutorial is meant to be a "gentle" introduction to the PyQt world and it would be a disservice to the reader not to point out the direction to a more thorough treatment of the subject."""
>  
> Your point is really appreciated.
>  
> @Aaron Richiger - Mark Summerfield does a great job of revision of python in the introduction. Good read, indeed.
>  
> Al.
>  
> On Tuesday 02 April 2013 17:49:25 Tim Doty wrote:
> > To a point I agree about focusing on PySide, but it doesn't hurt to
> > cover (at least cursorily) some elementary Python as well. Mark
> > Summerfield's excellent book "Rapid GUI Programming with Python and Qt"
> > (http://www.qtrac.eu/pyqtbook.html) doesn't dwell on basics, but it
> > does cover things.
> >
> > In fact, one of the best things IMO would be if he adapted that book to
> > PySide. Regrettably, I doubt he has the time to do so
> > (http://www.qtrac.eu/pyqtbook.html#pyside).
> >
> > I'm coming from PyQt so I'm not a *complete* newbie, but there is a real
> > advantage to having the content in one place rather than being directed
> > to other tutorials (not to mention the problem with links going stale).
> >
> > Tim Doty
> >
> > On Apr 2, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Aaron Richiger <a.richi at bluewin.ch> wrote:
> > > Hello Al and Marc!
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your offer, good tutorials are always essential for a
> > > popular project. I just wanted to have a look at your tuts, but the
> > > top five results of a google search after "pyside simplicissimus
> > > tutorial"
> > > directed me to dead links. So, this would be a good starting point:)
> > >
> > > We also do not have to reinvent the wheel, there are many examples
> > > coming with pyside already, have a look at them, you could probably
> > > use some of them, but enrich them with comments and explanations in
> > > your HTML.
> > >
> > > Marcs offer sounds great! It's always great to have "customers"
> > > helping designing the "products", because we sometimes can't imagine
> > > what's needed or missing for beginners. Having some newbies to test
> > > the tutorials would be great I think!
> > >
> > > Just one note, I think, your tutorials should not cover general python
> > > stuff but just PySide related stuff. There are plenty of good python
> > > tuts out there, we only need more PySide tuts. I know, that many of
> > > the PySide newbies are also python newbies (as Marc), but you could
> > > place some links to good python tuts at the beginning or start page
> > > of the tutorial and if you use some non-obvious python magic give
> > > another link to the specific explanation of this python feature (e.g.
> > > when you first use list comprehension). Our tutorials should focus on
> > > the important (=PySide) stuff!
> > >
> > > Happy coding!
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > > Am 02.04.2013 23:41, schrieb Marc Hankin:
> > >> Hi. I'm a python newbie and a pyside newbie.
> > >> I've gone through the zetcode tutorial and the simplicitimus (or
> > >> whatever it is called), and I still feel crippled in using pyside. I
> > >> used to teach law at a law school and I like to think about
> > >> pedagogical issues. So, if you folks want to try out some of your
> > >> tutorials on me and get my questionable feedback about how to
> > >> improve your tutorials, I'd be very pleased with the opportunity to
> > >> give you feedback ... and I confess, I also would like to learn from
> > >> you.
> > >>
> > >> It's really wonderful to follow your emails. The open source
> > >> python/pyside community is so giving/altruistic that it is fun to
> > >> follow your emails. I wish I could occupy myself with this stuff
> > >> full time and never see the nasty interior of a courtroom again.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, thanks again,
> > >>
> > >> Marc
> > >>
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> > >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:23 PM, lndn <lndndev at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Algis Kabaila <akabaila at pcug.org.au>
> > >> wrote: I am in the process of porting the tutorial to PySide and
> > >> Python 3.x. If there are no objections, I would like to post it in
> > >> the PySide newbie tutorial section in a similar style to
> > >> PySideSimplicissimus:
> > >>
> > >> From wiki/PySideTutorials link to new page PySideSimple
> > >> from PySideSimple links to probably 4 separate stage pages with
> > >> return to PySideSimple, which in turn returns to PySideTutorials.
> > >>
> > >> Al (aka OldAl)
> > >>
> > >> Hi Al, the newbie tutorials are a great idea. The
> > >> PySideSimplicissimus series were well-written and easy to follow.
> > >>
> > >> What modules do you plan on covering in these new tutorials? The
> > >> tutorials we currently have are great but it's not comprehensive in
> > >> covering more Qt modules. Here's hoping to see more modules covered
> > >> in newer tutorials.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
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