[PySide] Honkin Idea for PySide's thriving

anatoly techtonik techtonik at gmail.com
Wed Mar 20 09:52:06 CET 2013

Forgot to add the main point - that would be AWESOME! =)

anatoly t.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:46 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Christian Tismer <tismer at stackless.com>wrote:
>> Hey friends, it struck me, and I want to share before it's gone.
>> I am writing this in the spirit of the PyCon US pyside BOF:
>> Besides the technical issues and the things we discussed to create a real
>> PySide community, I would like to add a hew goal.
>> Make PySide the new standard Gui toolkit for Python!
>> I see a lot of my core Python friends sharing my impression that PySide
>> Is a great thing. If we can push it enough, it could even be an
>> officially supported toolkit for python-dev!
>> Either as a replacement or a supported alternative to Tcl/Tk, it could
>> quite rapidly grow a pretty large community!
>> This is a very rough and fresh idea, and I would like to know what would
>> be
>> Stopping us from doing that?
>> I see a lot of advantages by going this far. We could even move away from
>> PySide's object layout and invent a really pythonic new implementation.
>> Comments are welcome -- chris
> Few concerns.
> 1. Security
> - all Qt security bugs are actual for PySide (all?)
> - Python release cycle is longer than PySide
>   = there should be a mechanism to have faster release cycle for PySide
> than for the Python
>      - this means shipping Python with PySide in site-packages/
>        - which creates problems with all operating systems except Windows
>          - and requires Python to invent its guidelines for those systems
>            - which means it should have an understanding how different
> systems handle it
>              - which means there that some guidelines for OS developers
> from Python should appear
>                to help people *understand* Python distribution model and
> *why* it is important
>                - because often docs fail to explain why, and it is
> essential
>      - this also means ability to detect when PySide needs updating
>        - https://code.google.com/p/winpython/wiki/ControlPanel
> 2. Run-time size
> - i don't want my server process to accidentally load PySide and eat all
> the memory
>   - which means that PySide (and GUI stuff in general) should not be
> copied to virtualenv
>     - which means that stdlib probably needs a split into core and GUI
> things
>       - and scientific community probably knows the problem and can show
> some approaches
>   - probably virtualenv should have an ability to copy stdlib without
> heavy GUI or other stuff
>     - for that stdlib needs partitioning
>       - which means you can operate on stdlib module information
>       - and query different info (which partition a module belongs, which
> module is a file belongs, ..)
>         - https://bitbucket.org/techtonik/python-stdlib
> 3. OpenGL canvas can be more useful
> - direct access to hardware
> - cross-platform API without intermediates
> - requires a good user story based approach though, as it is not that
> simple
> There were more concerns here. I am not sure if they are actual. In fact,
> I have to go, so I can not even reread this.
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-November/094011.html
> Some more ideas.
> - IPython folks should be interested - if they are at PyCon, please talk
> to them.
> - Hugo said that the code base in fading out from his memory. That's
> something that should be acted upon rather soon. We need to increase the
> bus factor, and that means put more effort in simplifying codebase or at
> least documenting it while it is still possible. Maybe some software
> preservation fund, I don't know. Never worked with funds.
> - A X/MIT-like license (not even PSF license) will definitely steer more
> interest.
>  --
> anatoly t.
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