[Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all who relies on Nokia
Scott Aron Bloom
Scott.Bloom at onshorecs.com
Fri Feb 11 18:39:09 CET 2011
The problem is Qt isn't "small" no library of its complexity could be..
Until we get the install of the library for free, and we only install
our app, our install size will simply be too big..
If Nokia had created an android phone, with Qt built in.. That would
have been an amazing move forward.. But frankly Motorola beat them to
the punch.. Not with Qt of course, but with a kick ass Droid phone.
Now, nokia is playing catch up.. and are stuck with the one "phone os"
that need to play with someone...
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: qt-interest-bounces+scott.bloom=onshorecs.com at qt.nokia.com
[mailto:qt-interest-bounces+scott.bloom=onshorecs.com at qt.nokia.com] On
Behalf Of Jason H
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: Atlant Schmidt; pmqt71; BRM; qt-interest at trolltech.com
Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter,Its for
all who relies on Nokia
A FYI to everyone: I'm calling Elop, 'Flop' from now on. It's not a
typo.
One way to preserve Qt is for Qt to do what Flop should have done -
embrace Android. Then have an Android store where Qt gets a percentage,
say 20% (as opposed to Apple's 30%). This gets harder for the iOS market
with Apple already taking 30%, but hey its a market and using Qt allow
you to target that platform for free* (assuming you wrote for Android,
the 50% of your app price that you do get happens with little work.)
Then have your own app store just like the Mac App store and voila, Qt
is its own revenue stream. You can target all 3 PC platforms and the the
2 biggest mobile platforms -- ALL from the same code. It is my
understanding that Nokia already has the ability in the Ovi store to do
this for mobiles. Add desktops to the mix and you're got something that
can compete with Apple's online market segment in a SIGNIFICANT way.
Again, without a whole lot of effort on Qt's part - without increasing
costs to developers, without going closed source.
I've been using Qt since 3.x, and the 4.7 release is just incredible.
The time is now to do this. Qt4 has matured enough that you can target
multiple native platforms reliably. No one else can do this. Their only
option is Java.
My goal is to make Flop regret his decision. I realize he made it for
business reasons, and we are technical people, so we see it through a
different filter.
But I want to make him realize what he missed.
----- Original Message ----
From: Atlant Schmidt <aschmidt at dekaresearch.com>
To: Jason H <scorp1us at yahoo.com>; pmqt71 <pmqt71 at gmail.com>; BRM
<bm_witness at yahoo.com>; "qt-interest at trolltech.com"
<qt-interest at trolltech.com>
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 12:10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its
for all
who relies on Nokia
Jason:
> But looks like a lot of trolls will be re-assigned to WP7, or let go.
There's no particular reason why the Trolls should
be especially raided to work on Nokia Windows Phone;
Nokia has literally *THOUSANDS* of Symbian-developing
and Symbian-using software engineers and every one
of those engineers is suddenly 100% surplus to
requirements but has closer experience to developing
phones.
The real question for the Trolls is that now that they
no longer add any value to Nokia (and they don't; Qt
won't appear on Nokia Windows Phone and Maemo/MeeGo
is nothing more than a hobby that stands directly in
the way of Microsoft's goals so it won't last long),
how long will Nokia want to keep paying them? I'd
guess no longer than the law requires in Sweden and
Germany or until Nokia figures out how to divest Qt.
Qt needs to rapidly revert to the situation before
Trolltech was acquired by Nokia: Put Qt on a paying basis
or see it disappear except for such effort as the open-
source hobbyists are willing to donate.
Atlant
-----Original Message-----
From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com
[mailto:qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com] On
Behalf Of
Jason H
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:46
To: pmqt71; BRM; qt-interest at trolltech.com
Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its
for all
who relies on Nokia
I'm sorry, but QT Creator is not on par with Dev Studio. Its not even
close.
It is good for Qt and QML projects. But most everything supports Eclipse
now,
and would be the way to go today.
QtCreator DOES focus on the phones because of all the cross compiler
support.
I think the open source approach is being abandoned because:
1) Elop was nto party to that
2) Nokia board brought him in to change stuff
3) Open source is too slow. Sorry, but it is. It'll copy something
quickly, but
as far as innovation goes... it takes forever. And Nokia has
demonstrated this.
It sounds like Qt is NOT going away. But looks like a lot of trolls will
be
re-assigned to WP7, or let go. The irony is I hope to be able to use Qt
to make
apps for iOS and Android, and I can't target WP7. Lets add those patched
for iOS
and Android because Elop's gotta undo this sooner than later. Elop says
2 years
to change direction. Nokia stock is down 13%. Market says Fail.
----- Original Message ----
From: pmqt71 <pmqt71 at gmail.com>
To: BRM <bm_witness at yahoo.com>; qt-interest at trolltech.com
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 11:23:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its
for all
who relies on Nokia
> Qt Creator is pretty much on par with Visual Studios as an
environment. It's
>far
> superior to most any other IDE out there.
> That's not to say it's perfect or that it is on par in every way, but
it's
>makes
> a very good challenger to the VS market.
Well, it's also a matter of preference. But let's take another point
of view: how much resources, people, time, did it take to Nokia? how
much it costs? but above all, why to develop a new IDE? Samsung, for
instance, has shipped a new framework for their devices; did they need
a new, dedicated IDE? Has Android a custom IDE?
Qt Creator is just an example of how Nokia wanted to make (almost)
ALL, but without focusing on the most important target: Nokia phones.
pm
2011/2/11 BRM <bm_witness at yahoo.com>:
>> From: Konstantin Tokarev <annulen at yandex.ru>
>> 11.02.2011, 13:05, "Arnold Krille" <arnold at arnoldarts.de>:
>> > They don't need to. Qt is LGPL, just leave Nokia (or get the pink
slip,
>> > whichever comes first), gather in a new firm or in one of the
existing
Qt-
>> > consulting firms and continue to work on Qt or
>>the_fork_formerly_known_as_Qt.
>> But they need if they want to sell commercial licenses as they did
before
>>acquisition
>>
>> of Trolltech by Nokia
>
> Or just have the firm buy a Qt license first, before announcing the
fork -
it's
> perpetual itself; you just don't get support or updates beyond the 1
year
mark.
> Now, I am not a lawyer, so consult one first.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: pmqt71 <pmqt71 at gmail.com>
>> Porting Qt to WP7 is a nonsense. They already have a framework, they
>> already have tools, good tools. Do you consider Qt Creator better
than
>> Visual Studio? Do you consider Qt Creator better than Visual C++
>> Express (free) Edition? Can we compete?.
>
> Qt Creator is pretty much on par with Visual Studios as an
environment. It's
>far
> superior to most any other IDE out there.
> That's not to say it's perfect or that it is on par in every way, but
it's
>makes
> a very good challenger to the VS market.
>
> Now, per VC++ - Qt Creator uses a far superior compiler. VS's C++
compiler is
> functional and improving, but no where near as good as GNU's g++,
which
> underlies Qt Creator.
>
> $0.02
>
> Ben
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