[Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all who relies on Nokia
Mihail Naydenov
mlists at ymail.com
Fri Feb 11 18:40:22 CET 2011
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-workers-mourn-death-of-symbian-thousands-walk-out/
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----- Original Message ----
> From: Atlant Schmidt <aschmidt at dekaresearch.com>
> To: Jason H <scorp1us at yahoo.com>; pmqt71 <pmqt71 at gmail.com>; BRM
><bm_witness at yahoo.com>; "qt-interest at trolltech.com" <qt-interest at trolltech.com>
> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 7:10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all
>who relies on Nokia
>
> Jason:
>
> > But looks like a lot of trolls will be re-assigned to WP7, or let go.
>
> There's no particular reason why the Trolls should
> be especially raided to work on Nokia Windows Phone;
> Nokia has literally *THOUSANDS* of Symbian-developing
> and Symbian-using software engineers and every one
> of those engineers is suddenly 100% surplus to
> requirements but has closer experience to developing
> phones.
>
> The real question for the Trolls is that now that they
> no longer add any value to Nokia (and they don't; Qt
> won't appear on Nokia Windows Phone and Maemo/MeeGo
> is nothing more than a hobby that stands directly in
> the way of Microsoft's goals so it won't last long),
> how long will Nokia want to keep paying them? I'd
> guess no longer than the law requires in Sweden and
> Germany or until Nokia figures out how to divest Qt.
>
> Qt needs to rapidly revert to the situation before
> Trolltech was acquired by Nokia: Put Qt on a paying basis
> or see it disappear except for such effort as the open-
> source hobbyists are willing to donate.
>
> Atlant
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com
>[mailto:qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com] On Behalf
>Of Jason H
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:46
> To: pmqt71; BRM; qt-interest at trolltech.com
> Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all
>who relies on Nokia
>
> I'm sorry, but QT Creator is not on par with Dev Studio. Its not even close.
> It is good for Qt and QML projects. But most everything supports Eclipse now,
> and would be the way to go today.
>
> QtCreator DOES focus on the phones because of all the cross compiler support.
>
> I think the open source approach is being abandoned because:
> 1) Elop was nto party to that
> 2) Nokia board brought him in to change stuff
> 3) Open source is too slow. Sorry, but it is. It'll copy something quickly,
>but
> as far as innovation goes... it takes forever. And Nokia has demonstrated
>this.
>
> It sounds like Qt is NOT going away. But looks like a lot of trolls will be
> re-assigned to WP7, or let go. The irony is I hope to be able to use Qt to
>make
> apps for iOS and Android, and I can't target WP7. Lets add those patched for
>iOS
> and Android because Elop's gotta undo this sooner than later. Elop says 2
>years
> to change direction. Nokia stock is down 13%. Market says Fail.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: pmqt71 <pmqt71 at gmail.com>
> To: BRM <bm_witness at yahoo.com>; qt-interest at trolltech.com
> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 11:23:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Many have not aware about this letter, Its for all
> who relies on Nokia
>
> > Qt Creator is pretty much on par with Visual Studios as an environment.
>It's
> >far
> > superior to most any other IDE out there.
> > That's not to say it's perfect or that it is on par in every way, but it's
> >makes
> > a very good challenger to the VS market.
>
> Well, it's also a matter of preference. But let's take another point
> of view: how much resources, people, time, did it take to Nokia? how
> much it costs? but above all, why to develop a new IDE? Samsung, for
> instance, has shipped a new framework for their devices; did they need
> a new, dedicated IDE? Has Android a custom IDE?
> Qt Creator is just an example of how Nokia wanted to make (almost)
> ALL, but without focusing on the most important target: Nokia phones.
>
> pm
>
>
> 2011/2/11 BRM <bm_witness at yahoo.com>:
> >> From: Konstantin Tokarev <annulen at yandex.ru>
> >> 11.02.2011, 13:05, "Arnold Krille" <arnold at arnoldarts.de>:
> >> > They don't need to. Qt is LGPL, just leave Nokia (or get the pink
slip,
> >> > whichever comes first), gather in a new firm or in one of the existing
> Qt-
> >> > consulting firms and continue to work on Qt or
> >>the_fork_formerly_known_as_Qt.
> >> But they need if they want to sell commercial licenses as they did
before
> >>acquisition
> >>
> >> of Trolltech by Nokia
> >
> > Or just have the firm buy a Qt license first, before announcing the fork -
> it's
> > perpetual itself; you just don't get support or updates beyond the 1 year
> mark.
> > Now, I am not a lawyer, so consult one first.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: pmqt71 <pmqt71 at gmail.com>
> >> Porting Qt to WP7 is a nonsense. They already have a framework, they
> >> already have tools, good tools. Do you consider Qt Creator better than
> >> Visual Studio? Do you consider Qt Creator better than Visual C++
> >> Express (free) Edition? Can we compete?.
> >
> > Qt Creator is pretty much on par with Visual Studios as an environment.
It's
> >far
> > superior to most any other IDE out there.
> > That's not to say it's perfect or that it is on par in every way, but it's
> >makes
> > a very good challenger to the VS market.
> >
> > Now, per VC++ - Qt Creator uses a far superior compiler. VS's C++ compiler
>is
> > functional and improving, but no where near as good as GNU's g++, which
> > underlies Qt Creator.
> >
> > $0.02
> >
> > Ben
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