[Qt-interest] Windows 8 Store
BRM
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Thu May 5 18:31:37 CEST 2011
----- Original Message ----
> From: Mihail Naydenov <mlists at ymail.com>
> > From: BRM <bm_witness at yahoo.com>
> > To: qt-interest <qt-interest at trolltech.com>
> > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 4:46:26 PM
> > Subject: [Qt-interest] Fw: Windows 8 Store
> > While I'll agree in many respects, their current path does not lead to
> > absorption by Microsoft - namely b/c Microsoft's future is becoming more
>and
>
>
> > more less certain.
> > Even on their current path - which can change very easily to Android or
>back
>
> > to
> > Symbia or Meego or whatever - Nokia can be around for a long time.
> > Comparatively, Microsoft's future is ever increasingly becoming shorter
>due
>
> >to
> > (i) their inability to make a mobile platform that people want, (ii)
>their
>
> > increasing amounts of debt, (iii) their now falling sales of Windows as
> >more
> > take on tablets and smart phones instead of laptops and desktops, and
>(iv)
>
> > their
> > own internal structure/politics/demands to only ever be the sole platform
>
> >for
> > everything (which is the hubris that will ultimately lead to their
> >downfall).
>
> I agree with most of what you said, exept (ii) and (iii). Do you have any
>proof?
>
>
> Especially on (iii) - the low sales. Last I time checked they are doing
> ***great*** there.
Per 'ii' - Check their SEC filings. In the last several years MS has taken on a
tremendous amount of debt.
Prior to that they had zero debt, which is how BillG wanted it; it's part of
what made them so powerful.
Per 'iii' - there was a recent comparison of Apple and Microsoft that also
talked about MS's sales for Windows.
It noted that sales for Windows dropped from 79% to 77% or something like that.
Googling it, I found a couple
recent articles that sees to match - references a drops of 4-5% in sales.
http://www.bluegenietech.com/blog/2011/04/apple-vs-microsoft/
http://www.kc-computers.com/apple-vs-microsoft-the-great-face-off/
I would expect that this would also be revealed in their SEC filings as well,
likely buried and hard to find.
So yes, it's _starting_ to happen. Still a long ways to go.
Note: While normally a small drop would not be an issue, for Microsoft it is
since they have typically always followed the
industry in sales and had growth. This is really the first time in over 20 or 30
years that Microsoft has had a stagnation
or drop in sales for Windows while the rest of the industry has seen mostly
growth. Notice that Dell/HP/etc are not
also showing a 4-5% drop in desktop/laptop sales. That is why this is
significant.
>
> And that is the reason I began this discussion in the first place.
>
> Win for desktop (and desk in general) are not going anywhere anytime soon
>(ever
>
> IMHO).
>
> Looking on the success of 7, I'd image 8 will also have its glory days, and if
>
> coupled with a store - this is well worth investing in.
Success of 7? Hardly. Microsoft has been inflating the number for how much Win7
has sold by also including newer sales of WinXP.
Yes, you can still get licenses for WinXP, but you have to buy a Win7 Ultimate
or Win7 Business license to get it. That enables them
to count it as a sale for Win7, not WinXP.
Win7 has a relatively small market share compared to WinXP, and it's growth does
not match the sales of laptops/desktops either.
What you will not get from Microsoft is how many Win7 licenses have been used to
revert systems to WinXP.
They did the same thing with Vista sales numbers. In both cases they declared
their latest OS to be off the charts in market adoption.
Yet at its peak, Vista commanded a whopping 10% of the market. Win7 has
surpassed that but still has a long ways to go to surpass
WinXP - even as WinXP comes up on its next EOL.
> The question is - is Qt going to be a platform of choice.
Qt is a _developer's_ platform of choice from the viewpoint that it makes the
question moot of whether or not you are targeting Windows, Linux, or Mac for
desktop and server applications.
It's a bit harder for the embedded side since Apple won't let Qt on iOS; and MS
won't likely allow it on WP7 either. And Android does its own thing for the most
part.
Ben
>
> MihailNaydenov
>
>
> > $0.02
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > P.S. Meant to send this to the list initially.
> >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > >
> > > > From: Atlant Schmidt <aschmidt at dekaresearch.com>
> > > > To: "lorn.potter at nokia.com" <lorn.potter at nokia.com>; "sscc at mweb.co.za"
>
> > > ><sscc at mweb.co.za>; "qt-interest at qt.nokia.com" <qt-interest at qt.nokia.com>
> > > > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 7:10:32 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Windows 8 Store
> > > >
> > > > Lorn:
> > > >
> > > > > 1. Smartphones (Windows Phone)
> > > > > 2. The next billion
> > > > > 3. Future Disruptions
> > > > >
> > > > > Take your pick on which one involves Qt.
> > > >
> > > > But Lorn, that's *PRECISELY* the problem for us
> > > > out here in the real world. We (and more importantly,
> > > > the people who pay us) don't want disruptions; we
> > > > want a roadmap that clearly and smoothly addresses
> > > > our needs for our current project and as well as
> > > > for the next projects that we foresee in our own
> > > > roadmaps.*
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, Nokia's leadership wants dis-
> > > > ruptions because, frankly, the path they were on
> > > > would have certainly lead to their eventual collapse
> > > > and the path they've now jumped onto likely leads
> > > > to their eventual assimilation into the Borg, err,
> > > > absorption into Microsoft.
> > > >
> > > > So Nokia wants a disruption, but most of us out
> > > > here don't.
> > > >
> > > > Atlant
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * And frankly, for many of us, Qt's roadmap has been
> > > > very-much misaligned with ours since Nokia bought
> > > > the Trolls. Nokia has been focusing far too much
> > > > on mobility and far too little on the desktop and
> > > > have been nearly ignoring embedded.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com
> > > >[mailto:qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com] On
>
> > >Behalf
> > >
> > > >Of lorn.potter at nokia.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 22:55
> > > > To: sscc at mweb.co.za; qt-interest at qt.nokia.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Windows 8 Store
> > > >
> > > > On 5/05/11 12:43 AM, "ext Alex Strickland" <sscc at mweb.co.za> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 04/05/2011 16:13, Jason H wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Sure it would never be as big as Apple or MS or Google/Amazon's
> >Android
> > > > >>but it
> > > > >> would help Qt app authors... The attractive WIN here that isn't
> >done
> > > > >>anywhere
> > > > >> else is you could get the same app on your phone as for your
> >desktop.
> > > > >>(Bundle
> > > > >> Phone and desktop versions, pending application suitability of
> >course)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Just a thought.
> > > > >
> > > > >I just wish I could figure why Qt has any value to Nokia any
more.
> > > >
> > > > http://conversations.nokia.com/nokia-strategy-2011/
> > > >
> > > > 1. Smartphones (Windows Phone)
> > > > 2. The next billion
> > > > 3. Future Disruptions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Take your pick on which one involves Qt.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Lorn Potter
> > > > Senior Software Engineer, Nokia, Qt Mobility
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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