[Qt-interest] Windows 8 Store
Mihail Naydenov
mlists at ymail.com
Thu May 5 18:58:56 CEST 2011
The decline does not change the fact sales are (still) extremely good.
And I doubt this will change *drastically* anytime soon.
We are talking about ~80mil windows *7* (per year). This is ~= all tablets
combined x15.
The head advantage is not easy to beat. (And people do not change there pc every
year (like smartphones))
There surly will be more windows 8 then tablets. As I said, this was the reason
to start this thread.
Qt *should* be there on the front line. Mobile is "lost", hope for the desktop
:)
MihailNaydenov
----- Original Message ----
> From: Atlant Schmidt <aschmidt at dekaresearch.com>
> To: Mihail Naydenov <mlists at ymail.com>; BRM <bm_witness at yahoo.com>; qt-interest
><qt-interest at trolltech.com>
> Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 7:17:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [Qt-interest] Windows 8 Store
>
> Mihail:
>
> > Especially on (iii) - the low sales. Last I time checked
> > they are doing ***great*** there.
>
> Nope; PC sales are actually dropping (and we can
> probably assume that licensed Windows sales are
> dropping roughly proportionally). See:
>
>http://moconews.net/article/419-pc-sales-decline-mobile-devices-largely-to-blame/
>/
>
> > If you eagerly awaited the arrival of your iPad 2 but decided
> > to nurse that old PC along for a while longer, you're not alone:
> > fewer people are buying PCs these days compared to a year ago,
> > according to IDC.
> >
> > In the first quarter PC vendors shipped 80 million PCs, down
> > from 83 million in the first quarter of 2010. It was a rough
> > quarter in several parts of the world, such as the Middle East
> > and Japan, but the decline was especially pronounced in the
> > U.S., where vendors shipped 10 percent fewer PCs as compared
> > to last year. The reason? Tablets.
>
> (more)
>
>
> We should be able to answer the "debt" question (point ii)
> as well (given that Microsoft is a publicly-traded company
> and must report that sort of information), but I can't look
> right now...
>
> Atlant
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com
>[mailto:qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com] On Behalf
>Of Mihail Naydenov
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:21
> To: BRM; qt-interest
> Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Windows 8 Store
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
> > From: BRM <bm_witness at yahoo.com>
> > To: qt-interest <qt-interest at trolltech.com>
> > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 4:46:26 PM
> > Subject: [Qt-interest] Fw: Windows 8 Store
> >
> >
> >
> > While I'll agree in many respects, their current path does not lead to
> > absorption by Microsoft - namely b/c Microsoft's future is becoming more
>and
>
> > more less certain.
> > Even on their current path - which can change very easily to Android or
>back
> >
> > to
> >
> > Symbia or Meego or whatever - Nokia can be around for a long time.
> >
> > Comparatively, Microsoft's future is ever increasingly becoming shorter
>due
> >to
> >
> >
> > (i) their inability to make a mobile platform that people want, (ii)
>their
> > increasing amounts of debt, (iii) their now falling sales of Windows as
> >more
> >
> > take on tablets and smart phones instead of laptops and desktops, and
>(iv)
> > their
> >
> > own internal structure/politics/demands to only ever be the sole
platform
> >for
> >
> > everything (which is the hubris that will ultimately lead to their
> >downfall).
> >
>
> I agree with most of what you said, exept (ii) and (iii). Do you have any
>proof?
>
>
> Especially on (iii) - the low sales. Last I time checked they are doing
> ***great*** there.
>
>
> And that is the reason I began this discussion in the first place.
>
> Win for desktop (and desk in general) are not going anywhere anytime soon
>(ever
> IMHO).
>
> Looking on the success of 7, I'd image 8 will also have its glory days, and
if
> coupled with a store - this is well worth investing in.
>
> The question is - is Qt going to be a platform of choice.
>
> MihailNaydenov
>
>
> > $0.02
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > P.S. Meant to send this to the list initially.
> >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > >
> > > > From: Atlant Schmidt <aschmidt at dekaresearch.com>
> > > > To: "lorn.potter at nokia.com" <lorn.potter at nokia.com>;
"sscc at mweb.co.za"
> > > ><sscc at mweb.co.za>; "qt-interest at qt.nokia.com" <qt-interest at qt.nokia.com>
> > > > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 7:10:32 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Windows 8 Store
> > > >
> > > > Lorn:
> > > >
> > > > > 1. Smartphones (Windows Phone)
> > > > > 2. The next billion
> > > > > 3. Future Disruptions
> > > > >
> > > > > Take your pick on which one involves Qt.
> > > >
> > > > But Lorn, that's *PRECISELY* the problem for us
> > > > out here in the real world. We (and more importantly,
> > > > the people who pay us) don't want disruptions; we
> > > > want a roadmap that clearly and smoothly addresses
> > > > our needs for our current project and as well as
> > > > for the next projects that we foresee in our own
> > > > roadmaps.*
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, Nokia's leadership wants dis-
> > > > ruptions because, frankly, the path they were on
> > > > would have certainly lead to their eventual collapse
> > > > and the path they've now jumped onto likely leads
> > > > to their eventual assimilation into the Borg, err,
> > > > absorption into Microsoft.
> > > >
> > > > So Nokia wants a disruption, but most of us out
> > > > here don't.
> > > >
> > > > Atlant
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * And frankly, for many of us, Qt's roadmap has been
> > > > very-much misaligned with ours since Nokia bought
> > > > the Trolls. Nokia has been focusing far too much
> > > > on mobility and far too little on the desktop and
> > > > have been nearly ignoring embedded.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com
> > > >[mailto:qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com]
>On
> > >Behalf
> > >
> > > >Of lorn.potter at nokia.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 22:55
> > > > To: sscc at mweb.co.za; qt-interest at qt.nokia.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Windows 8 Store
> > > >
> > > > On 5/05/11 12:43 AM, "ext Alex Strickland" <sscc at mweb.co.za> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 04/05/2011 16:13, Jason H wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Sure it would never be as big as Apple or MS or Google/Amazon's
> >Android
> > > > >>but it
> > > > >> would help Qt app authors... The attractive WIN here that isn't
> >done
> > > > >>anywhere
> > > > >> else is you could get the same app on your phone as for your
> >desktop.
> > > > >>(Bundle
> > > > >> Phone and desktop versions, pending application suitability of
> >course)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Just a thought.
> > > > >
> > > > >I just wish I could figure why Qt has any value to Nokia any
more.
> > > >
> > > > http://conversations.nokia.com/nokia-strategy-2011/
> > > >
> > > > 1. Smartphones (Windows Phone)
> > > > 2. The next billion
> > > > 3. Future Disruptions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Take your pick on which one involves Qt.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Lorn Potter
> > > > Senior Software Engineer, Nokia, Qt Mobility
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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