[Qt-interest] Embedded buttons inside Menubar

[Atlant Schmidt]

Andre:

> I think that it is a development that will need some
> panning out in the future, before this approach becomes
> commonplace. It is not bad to think about new solutions
> for UI problems, especially if circumstances and usage
> patterns change. Such experiments may or may not lead
> to become a new standard pattern. Only the future will
> tell.

  Thank you -- this was exactly the point I was trying
  (perhaps too subtly) to make yesterday. If we want
  UIs to evolve beyond what we have today, this sort
  of real-world experimentation is a must so simply
  telling people "You can't do that because you
  *SHOULDN'T* do that!" seems like either the wrong
  answer or at least an incomplete answer. Some of these
  UI experiments will fail, but some will succeed. And
  our UI paradigms will grow richer as a result of this
  experimentation.

  (Tear-off menus come to mind as a good example of an
  experiment which succeeded very well.)

                        Atlant

-----Original Message-----
From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com [mailto:qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com] On Behalf Of Andre Somers
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 07:17
To: qt-interest at qt.nokia.com
Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Embedded buttons inside Menubar

Op 11-5-2011 12:47, Atlant Schmidt schreef:
> All:
>
>    I wonder how this radically-different title bar
>    fits-in with the rule folks were urging upon me
>    yesterday to always do things in the UI in the
>    standard way? (As you'll recall, we were discussing
>    the great evils of coloring a menu item.)
>
>    By comparison, is this compatibility break "OK"
>    because we have Adobe's sanction? Or would folks
>    disrecommend this compatibility break as well?
>    To me, this seems a lot more radical than merely
>    coloring some menu items.
>
You are right. It *is* a more radical break than coloring menu items.
And I guess that is one of the reasons it is so hard to do.
There has been quite a bit of discussion on this kind of thing not too
long ago in KDE and Ubuntu circles. There was a heated debate on why
this was or was not a good idea. To be honest, I can see some benefit in
it, even if I also appreciate the downsides. The benefit is of course
that you have the opportunity to save vertical screen space. Space that
seems to get more and more at a premium these days with the trend
towards more and more wide screen displays. Also take a look at Chrome.
It does not follow conventional UI style, but it is seeing a lot of
followup with other browsers. And to be honest: I like it too.

I think that it is a development that will need some panning out in the
future, before this approach becomes commonplace. It is not bad to think
about new solutions for UI problems, especially if circumstances and
usage patterns change. Such experiments may or may not lead to become a
new standard pattern. Only the future will tell.

André


>                            Atlant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com [mailto:qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com] On Behalf Of Witteveen, Arnt
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 04:30
> To: qt-interest at trolltech.com
> Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Embedded buttons inside Menubar
>
>
>> From: qt-interest-bounces+arntw=enfocus.com at qt.nokia.com
>> On Behalf Of Atlant Schmidt
>>
>> Dear anonymous:
>>
>>    I'm not sure I understand your question, but if you're
>>    referring to the "tab bar" (with the various filenames
>>
>>    Or did I misunderstand your question ;-) ?
> I think you did. The original email had an attachment with no tabs in
> it. What he is looking at is something like this :
> http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Adobe-InDesign-Screenshot-12389
> 9.html
>
> Where you can see that the window's title bar (which contains the close
> (cross), minimize and maximize button's on windows, and a titile text
> but is otherwise empty, and so lost screen real estate) is used to put
> in search field, icons, menu's, ...
>
> I do wonder how they do that, I'm guessing the answer could be making a
> window without a title bar and setting close etc buttons yourself in an
> appropriate place in your window?
>
> Arnt
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