[Qt-interest] Embedded buttons inside Menubar

[Anton Chernov]

Perhaps a good macro like Q_YOU_SHOULDN_T_DO_THAT could help...

2011/5/11 Atlant Schmidt <aschmidt at dekaresearch.com>

> Andre:
>
> > I think that it is a development that will need some
> > panning out in the future, before this approach becomes
> > commonplace. It is not bad to think about new solutions
> > for UI problems, especially if circumstances and usage
> > patterns change. Such experiments may or may not lead
> > to become a new standard pattern. Only the future will
> > tell.
>
>   Thank you -- this was exactly the point I was trying
>  (perhaps too subtly) to make yesterday. If we want
>  UIs to evolve beyond what we have today, this sort
>  of real-world experimentation is a must so simply
>  telling people "You can't do that because you
>  *SHOULDN'T* do that!" seems like either the wrong
>  answer or at least an incomplete answer. Some of these
>  UI experiments will fail, but some will succeed. And
>  our UI paradigms will grow richer as a result of this
>  experimentation.
>
>  (Tear-off menus come to mind as a good example of an
>  experiment which succeeded very well.)
>
>                        Atlant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com [mailto:
> qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com] On Behalf Of
> Andre Somers
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 07:17
> To: qt-interest at qt.nokia.com
> Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Embedded buttons inside Menubar
>
> Op 11-5-2011 12:47, Atlant Schmidt schreef:
> > All:
> >
> >    I wonder how this radically-different title bar
> >    fits-in with the rule folks were urging upon me
> >    yesterday to always do things in the UI in the
> >    standard way? (As you'll recall, we were discussing
> >    the great evils of coloring a menu item.)
> >
> >    By comparison, is this compatibility break "OK"
> >    because we have Adobe's sanction? Or would folks
> >    disrecommend this compatibility break as well?
> >    To me, this seems a lot more radical than merely
> >    coloring some menu items.
> >
> You are right. It *is* a more radical break than coloring menu items.
> And I guess that is one of the reasons it is so hard to do.
> There has been quite a bit of discussion on this kind of thing not too
> long ago in KDE and Ubuntu circles. There was a heated debate on why
> this was or was not a good idea. To be honest, I can see some benefit in
> it, even if I also appreciate the downsides. The benefit is of course
> that you have the opportunity to save vertical screen space. Space that
> seems to get more and more at a premium these days with the trend
> towards more and more wide screen displays. Also take a look at Chrome.
> It does not follow conventional UI style, but it is seeing a lot of
> followup with other browsers. And to be honest: I like it too.
>
> I think that it is a development that will need some panning out in the
> future, before this approach becomes commonplace. It is not bad to think
> about new solutions for UI problems, especially if circumstances and
> usage patterns change. Such experiments may or may not lead to become a
> new standard pattern. Only the future will tell.
>
> André
>
>
> >                            Atlant
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com[mailto:
> qt-interest-bounces+aschmidt=dekaresearch.com at qt.nokia.com] On Behalf Of
> Witteveen, Arnt
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 04:30
> > To: qt-interest at trolltech.com
> > Subject: Re: [Qt-interest] Embedded buttons inside Menubar
> >
> >
> >> From: qt-interest-bounces+arntw=enfocus.com at qt.nokia.com
> >> On Behalf Of Atlant Schmidt
> >>
> >> Dear anonymous:
> >>
> >>    I'm not sure I understand your question, but if you're
> >>    referring to the "tab bar" (with the various filenames
> >>
> >>    Or did I misunderstand your question ;-) ?
> > I think you did. The original email had an attachment with no tabs in
> > it. What he is looking at is something like this :
> > http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Adobe-InDesign-Screenshot-12389
> > 9.html
> >
> > Where you can see that the window's title bar (which contains the close
> > (cross), minimize and maximize button's on windows, and a titile text
> > but is otherwise empty, and so lost screen real estate) is used to put
> > in search field, icons, menu's, ...
> >
> > I do wonder how they do that, I'm guessing the answer could be making a
> > window without a title bar and setting close etc buttons yourself in an
> > appropriate place in your window?
> >
> > Arnt
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