[Development] QUIP 12: Code of Conduct

[Martin Smith]

>I am yet to hear an answer about what is going to be done in case the person
>mistreating is an active contributor.
>Will you chose potential harm, over actual benefit of having such a person on the
>project?

Active contributors who abuse others should be treated the same as inactive contributors who abuse others. What would be done would of course depend on what the abuser did. I suppose the abuser (active contributor or not) would be informed as to what he/she did wrong and would be told to stop doing it.

Your remarks seem to mean you would rather ignore harm to get the benefit. I hope that's not what you mean. Being a super contributor doesn't buy one the privilege of being an asshole to others.

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From: NIkolai Marchenko <enmarantispam at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 4:03:41 PM
To: Martin Smith
Cc: Konstantin Shegunov; Qt development mailing list
Subject: Re: [Development] QUIP 12: Code of Conduct

I am yet to hear an answer about what is going to be done in case the person mistreating is an active contributor.
Will you chose potential harm, over actual benefit of having such a person on the project?

The edge case being, for example, if a module maintainer is mistreating someone for whatever reason.
The other person can just stop trying to interact with that maintainer, but I fail to see how removing a maintainer over a potential benefit of someone not being mistreated actually benefits the project.

I've heard from people in this thread that it _is_ a problem you are trying to sovle and there _have _ been mistreatment.
Now, I am not asking for dirty laundry, but isn't community supposed to know at least in broad strokes, the kind of problems yo uare even tring to solve before actually voting on anything?
Maybe the community have a better answer for these specific problems?

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:56 PM Martin Smith <Martin.Smith at qt.io<mailto:Martin.Smith at qt.io>> wrote:

>1) To contact the contributor first and try to resolve the issue civilly.
>2) To seek help with a third party (another contributor) who is known to the
>alleged victim and who can act as mediator to try an resolve it.
>3) If 1) and 2) don't work he/she may also bring it to the attention of the
>community (e.g. the mailing list). The community is then free to react or not to
>react.

You just specified a code of conduct. The problem with your code of conduct is that it isn't guaranteed to end in resolution.

>The implication that currently, if you're feeling mistreated, it's impossible to act
>(respectfully) against harassment seems rather far-fetched to me.

But that isn't the implication. The implication is that a mistreated person can take the actions you have specified, and the result can be that the mistreatment, real or not, is not resolved.

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From: Konstantin Shegunov <kshegunov at gmail.com<mailto:kshegunov at gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 3:48:49 PM
To: Martin Smith
Cc: development at qt-project.org<mailto:development at qt-project.org>
Subject: Re: [Development] QUIP 12: Code of Conduct

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 4:09 PM Martin Smith <Martin.Smith at qt.io<mailto:Martin.Smith at qt.io><mailto:Martin.Smith at qt.io<mailto:Martin.Smith at qt.io>>> wrote:
In that case, if a contributor is mistreated by another contributor, what recourse does the victim have?

1) To contact the contributor first and try to resolve the issue civilly.
2) To seek help with a third party (another contributor) who is known to the alleged victim and who can act as mediator to try an resolve it.
3) If 1) and 2) don't work he/she may also bring it to the attention of the community (e.g. the mailing list). The community is then free to react or not to react.

The implication that currently, if you're feeling mistreated, it's impossible to act (respectfully) against harassment seems rather far-fetched to me.
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