[Interest] L Word

Lars Knoll lars.knoll at qt.io
Fri Apr 30 12:17:11 CEST 2021

Hi all,

After being notified about this whole mess yesterday evening, I’ve now spent quite a bit of time to catch up on the whole thread.

The purpose of this mailing list is for users to help each other and discuss Qt related topics. The whole thread of postings leading to this is in that respect not something that I want to see on this mailing list.

It’s unfortunately not the first time that Roland has been on a trolling mission. In this thread, he again has been adding tons of noise to this mailing list without adding value. As I see it, this is trolling and destroying the value of this list. The tone of the posts is divisive and aggressive, something that I don’t want to see in the Qt community.

This means that a lot of the posts in this thread do violate our CoC, and Roland has been starting those violations and continuously adding fuel to the fire. I understand why Guiseppe has reacted strongly to those posts.

As a project we have so far not defined sanctions when that CoC is being violated, as we (fortunately) didn’t really have the need for it so far. That puts sanctions at the discretion of the mailing list moderators or myself.

We’ve unfortunately seen this before and I had complaints about his behaviour before. As such, Roland is banned from the mailing list until the end of May. If he decides to come back after that I do expect that his emails follow our CoC and stay on topic for this mailing list. Any further violations will lead to a permanent ban.


On 29 Apr 2021, at 13:45, Tuukka Turunen <tuukka.turunen at qt.io<mailto:tuukka.turunen at qt.io>> wrote:


Perhaps we have been too long tolerant for the behavior that many see problematic (myself included). The challenge is the mix of valid and invalid items. It is easier to react to things that are clear violations to our CoC: http://quips-qt-io.herokuapp.com/quip-0012-Code-of-Conduct.html and nothing else.

On the positive side, we have not had that much of these over the years. We have not been banning people regularly, so we also lack a bit of precedence with this. Technically it is a trivial thing to remove someone from a mailing list. The challenging part is to decide when it is time to do that.



From: Interest <interest-bounces at qt-project.org<mailto:interest-bounces at qt-project.org>> on behalf of Massimiliano Maini <maxmaini at gmail.com<mailto:maxmaini at gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, 29. April 2021 at 14.23
To: Bernhard Lindner <private at bernhard-lindner.de<mailto:private at bernhard-lindner.de>>
Cc: interest at qt-project.org<mailto:interest at qt-project.org> <interest at qt-project.org<mailto:interest at qt-project.org>>
Subject: Re: [Interest] L Word
Yeah, maybe that's part of the problem but, as you said, the solution
should be simple: he leaves the mailing list
or, if that's not possible, the admins "make him leave".

On top, with his ramblings and often totally wrong assertions (the
"April's fool link"-gate scandal has been absolutely
hilarious, almost as the subsequent attempt to regain some
credibility, yeah .. nice try) he has now managed to scare
the hell out of me the next time I'll be tied to a medical device: the
mere chance he may be behind it now makes me
extremely nervous. Even if it's only a blood pressure monitor.

Losing valuable people in the mailing list and, at some point, the
mailing list at all is like throwing away a Ferrari
because a pidgeon keeps shitting on it. I'd argue that getting rid of
the pidgeon is a more sensible solution.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 at 12:05, Bernhard Lindner
<private at bernhard-lindner.de<mailto:private at bernhard-lindner.de>> wrote:
> The main problem isn't trolling. The main problem is: Roland comes from a completely
> different world. The world of functional safety. This world is difficult and a completely
> different from conventional software development. It is particularly different from
> smartphone and web development. And it doesn't have much to do with desktop software
> development. I have also been in this world for more than 3 years. A world where
> programming is the least important thing. Where documentation is important. And the law.
> And prison. And accuracy and multi-level tests and reliability and verification and
> validation and standards. And many years of support. And certifications. A person who has
> worked in this world for a long time has different priorities. Roland calls this "True
> Software Engineering".
> Obviously, Qt has nothing to do with this type of software engineering. And it's obviously
> not suitable for functional safety (at least not if you take it seriously).
> What I don't understand is why Roland doesn't just leave the mailing list and forget about
> Qt. Qt is not suitable for use in his industrial sector, so I can't understand why he
> spends so much time writing about the conflict between the reality of Qt and the reality
> of his industrial sector. If I were him, I would have given up trying to influence Qt's
> strategy a long time ago.
> (Actually, I'm about to give up my hopes for desktop development with Qt).
> So, Roland, why are you keeping the conflicts going?
> --
> Best Regards,
> Bernhard Lindner
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